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cowhide said:
I see little separation physically between the three Randle, Gordon, and Vonleh. It just depends how you see the guys fitting into your team.

Gordon's glaring weakness is his shooting but he might be the best guy if you are going to be a running team. He will be a liability if he plays the four simply because he can't shoot and his FTs are horrible. If he plays the SF his outside shooting will be a hinderance. I think Gordon is a classic tweener I think he is going to need to put some weight on or learn to shoot from outside.

Randle - measurements overall were a surprise. His athleticism is better than I thought but I still think he will struggle if he doesn't develop a nice 15 to 18 ft jumpshot. I think the Jazz would have to get rid of either Favors or Kanter if they were going to get Randle. I worry about him being too predictable on offensive and his glaring weakness is defense.

Vonleh - is the most intriguing guy to me because of his size and youth. Throw in a nice jump shot. His athleticism was surprisingly better than expected. My main concern is his motor. I don't know if he was just being ignored at Indiana or he was just playing passively. Overall I think right now he has the more balanced game between the three. He has a raw but potentially a prototype NBA PF game with the ability to go outside and inside. His rebounding is very strong and I am sure his big hands help with that. Defensively, I don't think he is great but he certainly is better than Randle. I know that isn't saying much but I think he has potential for a defender. HE moves well and has great size and length.

I think I am leaning more towards Vonleh but since I don't get to see the private workouts or interviews I could be wrong about that choice. I think all three have pluses and minuses but I would be shocked if anyone of them didn't have a decent career. I just feel the Jazz are going to get a very good player with their lottery pick.

There were some other guys who impressed me at the combine. I know one has to be careful about putting too much weight on the combine but I really think there are some solid role players at 23 and 35 potentially.

I am intrigued with Alec Brown. He shot the lights out and could be a stretch four. Robinson III played well too.
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Nice analysis.
I've had Vonleh rated as #5 for the last couple of weeks. I've taken Embiid off my board. Just too big a risk with that back. And there's no way of knowing before the draft how healthy he is. Sure, you can get the opinion of a physician, but IMO, you need to evaluate him on the court - and if his agent is controlling which doctors a team has to use, that's another HUGE red flag. Jazz only get one shot at this. They can't afford to miss on Embiid. Teams like the Lakers can...they simply move on to a great free agent. Utah doesn't have that luxury.

Wiggins
Exum
Parker
Vonleh
Gordon
Randle

Reason I have Gordon rated higher than Randle is he has elite defensive skills and athleticism. Randle will be better initially. He's a safer pick. I just don't see him becoming an elite player.
 
I'm waiting for PKM to let us know if there is legit concern about Embiid's back.

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During the combine yesterday they said the most recent big with a lower back stress fracture (or whatever it is) like Embiid was Drummond.

Drummond played all 82 games this season, FWIW.
 
orangello said:
I'm waiting for PKM to let us know if there is legit concern about Embiid's back.

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IIRC, he's said no a couple of times. I don't completely agree. I've had friends with various back problems (some requiring surgery, some not) and those problems are chronic.
Maybe Embiid will be completely healthy and have a HOF career. But concerns over back + raw prospect is just too risky for Jazz. Exum, Wiggins, Parker, Vonleh, Randle or even Gordon are much better picks for Jazz, IMO.
 
Vonleh and Favors are very similar players, js. Do we want two Favors on this team? Wouldn't it be harder to score?
 
I'm surprised we haven't talked more about what position Gordon would play for us.

Guess we've been too busy with all this Randle SF ****.
 
spycam1 said:
I'm surprised we haven't talked more about what position Gordon would play for us.

Guess we've been too busy with all this Randle SF ****.
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We discussed this when I brought Aaron Gordon to public attention early this year. You are late.
 
spycam1 said:
Fill me in den bro
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Basically he would start off on the bench as the backup PF, so he could play in a more uptempo offense. Start him off with something that is like what he did in college, so he can get confidence. After that start experimenting with him more of the perimeter.
 
spycam1 said:
I'm surprised we haven't talked more about what position Gordon would play for us.

Guess we've been too busy with all this Randle SF ****.
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I like him at SF over PF. This guy is never going to be Blake Griffin. Blake came into the combine 30 pounds heavier with the same body fat, thats a position and a half in the NBA.
So the question is, is he a good enough swiss army knife like AK was at SF? AK couldn't shoot either, but could drive and pass enough to make himself useful.
 
Jazz4ever said:
I like him at SF over PF. This guy is never going to be Blake Griffin. Blake came into the combine 30 pounds heavier with the same body fat, thats a position and a half in the NBA.
So the question is, is he a good enough swiss army knife like AK was at SF? AK couldn't shoot either, but could drive and pass enough to make himself useful.
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Kind of how I see it. Only problem is this version of the Jazz doesn't have outside shooters. Jazz would have to hope for games in the 80-pt range.
 
If de are going to roll with Gordon at the 3 then we better have a Beal like 2 or else teams will just pack it in and collect our brick houses.

AK really fed up our offense. And that was when we had the best shooting PF/C duo in the league. Imagine how much worse our offense would be with Favors (who has zero offensive skill compared to what Boozer and Memo had).
 
White Chocolate said:
Am I wrong here when I say we need a scorer?
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No.

That's exactly what we need.

But some people really get excited when they see Gordo's highlight dunks and think he's going to make Lebron and MJ look like Greg Ostertag.

Exum could be great but he's a foreigner and I guess that makes him riskier than a bunch of freshmen playing against watered down college competition.

Logic need not apply when it comes to fans
 
Core4 said:
And we need defense. We have too many one-dimensional players on the team.
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And not one that can be a franchise go to guy. This is our best chance of doing that since we aren't getting a #1 option via free agency. Not unless Cali and Nevada fall into the ocean.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Re: the three players who skipped the combine.

Wiggins - as the consensus #1, had nothing to gain by going

Parker - who knows if he's put on 15-20 pounds. Whether he has or hasn't, the combine simply isn't where he shines. He's have a slow sprint, a slow lane agility, probably a less than impressive vertical, body fat wouldn't look good. Dude is a lock for top 4, probably near lock for #2. The combine isn't his cup o' tea.

Embiid - he's the one I worry about. If he's healthy, goes to the combine, comes in at a legit 7' or 7'1", long wingspan, jumps and runs well and proves he's in great health, he might have a shot at stealing Wiggin's #1 slot. My gut has always been, and with him missing the combine, I feel even more strongly that dude isn't healthy. I love Embiid's size, athleticism, toughness, demeanor - everything. But I don't what anything to do with an injured big man.
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you are on point with parker, but all he had to do was come in and get measured and don't do anything else. weight would not have mattered because most scouts would know he was a big dude at 240lb. i think his size would've impressed scouts.

embiid was measured at 7ft with shoes on in 2013 hoop summit. i have him at 6ft 11 barerfoot. i thought he was tad shorter than Austin. but embiid is long. dude will be top 3 in blocks in per 36 instantly.

i'm worried about his back, but his potential is just hard to ignore. i'll take him at #3.
 
The Thriller said:
If de are going to roll with Gordon at the 3 then we better have a Beal like 2 or else teams will just pack it in and collect our brick houses.

AK really fed up our offense. And that was when we had the best shooting PF/C duo in the league. Imagine how much worse our offense would be with Favors (who has zero offensive skill compared to what Boozer and Memo had).
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I agree, the thought is Kanter (at PF) can extend his range to the three point line. He probably has a better chance of hitting threes than any big not named Parker in this draft.
So you would have:

Favors
Kanter
A. Gordon
Hayward
Burke

6th: Burks

Bench: Evans, Gobert, Clark, Neto?, FA, GS pick

I am not super high on Gordon, but we need a big athletic player that can some day slow down guys like Durant and Lebron. It all comes back to them, they are the gatekeepers. If we don't draft one will have to overpay on the free agent market.
 
The Thriller said:
And not one that can be a franchise go to guy. This is our best chance of doing that since we aren't getting a #1 option via free agency. Not unless Cali and Nevada fall into the ocean.
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Agree with you. Wiggins, Exum and Parker ar my top 3. And I have Vonleh ranked higher than Randle or Gordon because I think he's going to be a more complete player.
 
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