Following potential 2014 draftees

[fishonjazz]

read my posts

I tried that once.
Would not reccomend it.

now im trying to quit

 

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I tried that once.
Would not reccomend it.

now im trying to quit

So, I guess ^this^ means you attempted to respond to one of my posts without actually reading it?

I'm seriously shocked.

 

[fishonjazz]

Dude, it's about modern food preparations, not about their bodies. This is such a basic thing, but.... yeah.... BURKS!

So you are saying that polynesians have a greater potential to have weight problems due to thier "modern food preparations"?

Ok, i can buy that.

I never claimed to know why they seem to have problems with thier weight more than other people. I believe your reason may very well be true

 

[Dr. Jones]

^I read that and I am responding. Not feeling any differently than I did before.

 

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I'm thinking best case scenario, after this offseason is the Jazz are still 1 piece away. hopefully they can solve that next summer with a late lottery pick, free agent or trade, but in the meantime

Shaun Livingston and Jodie Meeks are GREAT vets for the Jazz to add, Livingston could provide much needed depth and versatility, and possibly some defense. Meeks brings consistent shooting but hes also a really solid professional to add to the locker room, hopefully some of his marksmanship would rub off.

Vonleh is just really intriguing at this point, I didnt think he would measure that close to Favors, with gigantic hands and 60% 3pt shooting in Big10 play (1.6 attempts per), I think he fits well in Utah next to either Kanter or Favors, which is something I said about Vonleh before he even played a game at IU. He should get more looks at open 3's in the NBA playing next to a center and his overall activity level is underrated, hes a legitimate ball magnet, much more-so than Favors.

Cleanthony Early isn't my favorite prospect but he offers something not easy to find at 23, he seems like a match filling the need for an Athletic SF. Especially if he can shoot the NBA 3 well he'd be a steal and could emerge as a starter. one of the knocks on him is his handle in halfcourt offense but with players like Burke, Hayward and Burks the Jazz may be a nice landing spot to hide that deficiency. Im not sold on the lateral quickness of Cleanthony though, he looks fairly slow while defending penetration and I doubt the perimeter defense would be much improved with Trey-Hayward-Early.. I could be wrong though

What would you think about this team:

Messina

Burke/Livingston/Neto
Hayward/Hinrich
Wiggins/Budinger
Favors/Randle
Gortat/Gobert

 

[BTP]

Just curious... who would you rather have?

Exum
or
Jodie Meeks and Noah Vonleh

Lakers have no value except future draft picks!

The only one that will be available @23 (of those u mentioned) will be Early. And I'd like it.

I don't really like Early too much. He has some positive qualities, but I fear he's the "bad" tweener. I think this year there will be better quality available at 23.

stay away from Harris. I loved the dude in college but awful measurements. I like early a lot and he could be a great answer for both defense and shooting still a little streaky but solid.

personally I would go hard for either mcbuckets, stauskas or Payne depending on who we draft first. all are elite shooters.

if the jazz got Parker I would look at Payne
wiggns I would say mcbuckets
embiid mcbuckets or stauskas
exum or smart Payne or mcbuckets
vonleh, randle or Gordon mcbuckets or stauskas

Harris measurements were really poor and not participating in athletic drills makes it even more puzzling(Like his camp fears that he'll pull a Jordan Adams vertical) Now he's basically Ben Gordon with more lateral quickness/Interest to play defense. Probably will rapidly decline with age.

I also think other than Payne none will be available at 23

So.... a washed up nash, washed up gasol, kaman, hill, farmar, swaggy p?

They aint got **** on that roster that anybody wants

THIS!

Let's say Wiggins is the runaway #1 pick.



Isn't Embiid vs Jabari = Oden vs Durant all over again??????

Nope. And yes. To a way lesser extent.

As a trained anthropologist just let me say this:
There are no early accounts of polynesians which describe them as being fat. None.

Like other ethnic groups, it appears that polynesians don't do particularly well with modern food preparations. If Jabari comes here and follows Derrick and Gordo to subway for 4 foot-longs a day, then that wouldn't be great (it's not good for Derrick or Gordo either).

I have no doubt that if Jabari is motivated to have a big svelte body, then he can do it. He needs a good nutritionist.


(BTW, why don't more of these millionaires have specialized nutritionists?? For me, this is probably the most surprising thing about the NBA... this is one area where a lot of players could improve).

What if they only eat veggies with whole bread and no unhealthy sauce?

 

[Dr. Jones]

So you are saying that polynesians have a greater potential to have weight problems due to thier "modern food preparations"?

Ok, i can buy that.

I never claimed to know why they seem to have problems with thier weight more than other people. I believe your reason may very well be true

I don't buy it AT ALL. Well, other than to say they could eat better and thereby maybe control the gain more so than eating badly.

But nutrition is clearly not the only (or, imo, even the biggest) factor in an entire people being obese. Genetics are a key issue, I am certain, regardless of what history does or doesn't tell us. And, btw, and I am sincerely curious, how does anthropology tell us how fat people were in the past? Do we have hundreds of year old clothing? Obvi no selfies back then... Cave paintings?? "Ugh, I draw you now.. I better not draw you fat doe cuz you'll hit me in head with mace."

 

[fishonjazz]

Here is another possible explanation to go along with the diet explanation.
Many researchers also believe that Pacific islanders' bodies are genetically hard-wired to store fat more efficiently. This trait used to make a lot of sense -- living on a tiny island, highly susceptible to the effects of the weather, often involved long periods of famine and required a great deal of physical labor.


last week, a study published in the British medical journal The Lancet found that worldwide obesity rates have increased significantly over the past three decades. By far, the greatest increase was in the Pacific islands. In the world's fattest country -- Nauru -- the average body mass index (BMI) is now an off-the-charts 35.03 for women and 33.85 for men. (Above 30 is generally considered obese.) The Cook Islands, Tonga, Samoa, French Polynesia, and Palau aren't far behind. Although the United States, with average BMIs of 28.33 for women and 28.46 for men, is well on its way.) So why are island countries so obese?

It's a combination of factors including diet, lifestyle, and culture -- but the main culprit is globalization. Most of the Pacific islands were traditional societies, dependent on subsistence farming and fishing until the mid-20th century. The arrival of U.S., French, and British militaries during the Pacific campaigns of World War II began a monumental shift, as the countries opened up to the world. Large-scale industrialization of the Pacific islands didn't begin in earnest until the 1970s. The result was that the South Pacific had only about 40 years to adapt to the kind of modern, sedentary lifestyle that people in the West have been getting used to for centuries.
The ready availability of imported food has coincided with the conversion of farmland to more lucrative industries such as mining. Nauru's land area has been almost entirely turned over to phosphate mining, forcing its people onto a tiny sliver of livable land. While the traditional Pacific diet was dominated by fish, fruits, and vegetables, Nauru's islanders have now developed a taste for imported rice, sugar, flour, soda, and beer. (Spam is a particular favorite.) Western fast-food outlets have also arrived along with the island's growing tourist industry

 

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What if they only eat veggies with whole bread and no unhealthy sauce?

Then they turn into the men that rule the NFL.

 

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I don't buy it AT ALL. Well, other than to say they could eat better and thereby maybe control the gain more so than eating badly.

But nutrition is clearly not the only (or, imo, even the biggest) factor in an entire people being obese. Genetics are a key issue, I am certain, regardless of what history does or doesn't tell us. And, btw, and I am sincerely curious, how does anthropology tell us how fat people were in the past? Do we have hundreds of year old clothing? Obvi no selfies back then... Cave paintings?? "Ugh, I draw you now.. I better not draw you fat doe cuz you'll hit me in head with mace."

One of your worst posts ever.
You are aware that European travelers have been visiting and writing about the Polynesian islands since the 18th century, right? So, like, they saw them with the eyes in their heads, and made very detailed accounts of their appearance, among other things.

 

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Here's a mind-exploding example for you all:

I'm allergic to gluten, and many of the people who are also descendants from the same peoples have the same problem. Here's the thing, though: if glutenous foods are prepared in the ways that grains have been traditionally prepared (i.e. through some form of fermentation), then they're fine. This allergic response is due to a lack of exposure to our bodies over time. You can find genetic markers for this, but genes don't explain the reaction.

How do you expect Polynesian bodies to respond to a host of foods to which they've had very little collective exposure?

 

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I don't buy it AT ALL. Well, other than to say they could eat better and thereby maybe control the gain more so than eating badly.

But nutrition is clearly not the only (or, imo, even the biggest) factor in an entire people being obese. Genetics are a key issue, I am certain, regardless of what history does or doesn't tell us. And, btw, and I am sincerely curious, how does anthropology tell us how fat people were in the past? Do we have hundreds of year old clothing? Obvi no selfies back then... Cave paintings?? "Ugh, I draw you now.. I better not draw you fat doe cuz you'll hit me in head with mace."

I just had to go back and laugh my ****ing *** off over this. Just wow.

 

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Hey guys,
Lets go visit a society that's been collapsed by the history of colonialism and make dumbheaded comments about the health of the population. The best examples will be something like, "Why are those people so eternally fat?!?," "Why don't they get score high on our IQ tests? I mean, they're totally unbiased," and the "entire people being obese."

 

[fishonjazz]

Naos, i can see that this a very important issue for you.
Im sorry for voicing the opinion that there is a possibility that jabari could struggle with his weight due to his heritage.

I take it all back.

If jabari eats the same diet as wiggins then he will be the same weight.

EAT WELL JABARI!
We at jazzfanz believe in you!

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I would trade Trey Burke + #23 for Marcus Smart if Smart is there around 7 or 8.

#toughness

 

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Naos, i can see that this a very important issue for you.
Im sorry for voicing the opinion that there is a possibility that jabari could struggle with his weight due to his heritage.

I take it all back.

If jabari eats the same diet as wiggins then he will be the same weight.

EAT WELL JABARI!
We at jazzfanz believe in you!

It's not an important issue. It just hurts the brain to see a chorus of stupidity. And once PKM starts preaching, then, as per usual, the whole board will start a slow clap.

 

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I would trade Trey Burke + #23 for Marcus Smart if Smart is there around 7 or 8.

#toughness

agreed. Any day.

 

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I'll tell you my real feelings about Jabari's diet on Saturday.

 

[fishonjazz]

It just hurts the brain to see a chorus of stupidity.

Again, i apologize

That boones gets in me and i just cant help myself ;-)

 

[Dr. Jones]

Being a smartass is no replacement for actually answering questions. Would u like them bulleted?

- how does anthropology teach us about pre-history peoples? (And if you were talking about like 18th/19th century, then I misunderstood your comments altogether).

- how is a reasonable hypothesis that an ENTIRE race is simply eating poorly?