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Hantlers said:
I still don't know what you're talking about, but if I was wrong then I was wrong.

I don't have a problem with being wrong, unlike a certain somebody here.
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Haha, did you forget about Conner Frankencamp? you were hyping him up. Well i guess you can forget about him this year anyway.

I ****ing hate being wrong, is their a problem with that haha? I put my money where my mouth is, since forever. Im not about an I told you so, thats just the collateral damage from forecasting, taking a position and having conviction in it.

To be a true champion you really have to hate losing, I truly believe that and can cite tons of examples, I ****ing hate Dwight Howard's attitude, thats sucker ****.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Haha, did you forget about Conner Frankencamp? you were hyping him up. Well i guess you can forget about him this year anyway.

I ****ing hate being wrong, is their a problem with that haha? I put my money where my mouth is, since forever. Im not about an I told you so, thats just the collateral damage from forecasting, taking a position and having conviction in it.

To be a true Champion you really have to ****ing hate losing, I truly believe that and can cite tons of examples, I ****ing hate Dwight Howard's attitude, thats sucker ****.
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PGAB a True Champion of Teh Internet.
 
Enes CanTear You Apart said:
I like Garcia as well, pure scorer, he gets 20 mins per game in ACB now. Very impressive considering his age.

Have you watched 97 born Furkan Korkmaz? Very similar player to Garcia except he has much better athleticism and better rebounding. He is a great shooter just like Garcia and he likes to shoot and score in high volume. I have some question marks about Garcia's athleticism for the NBA but I'm much more confident about Furkan regarding athleticism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky9QEUsMo_A

But Furkan is still too young and I want too see him in the next U18 EC to be sure about his development. He has done great job in previous U16 and U18 tournaments but it's important to see whether he has the work ethic or not. You can see some highlights from his U16 and U18 performances here. [url[/MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sWsurWhGxQ[/url]

At this point I think Garcia is slightly better shot creator, but they are both pure scorers and great shooters so I think they can both play in the NBA.
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I know this player, I think he's a 1st rounder and can possibly move into the fringe lottery, I need to see more footage, but i've gotta say i think Eurohopes is crazy to have him ranked over Svi Mykhailiuk. Should be very interesting to see him progress, I wonder when he declares, his born year is LOADED..

I dont think he stacks up to the top tier american talent of that age though.. Malik Monk would eat him alive.
 
@PG_AB

The kid that up 28pts was simply on fire.. hitting everything. He followed that up the next night doing the same against UT.

Towns wasn't shooting 3's and neither was Lyles. They were both hitting 15 footers, but no reason to go beyond that in the game. The other team had one 6'11 guy, but other than that very shrimpy. What stood out to me about UK other than obvious DEPTH (never the least bit tired playing 5minutes and sitting 5.. ) was the smoothness/skill.

When you have Andrew, Aaron, Booker, Lyles, and Towns.. it's pretty silky. Putting Poythress, WCS, and Johnson in the game turns it into muscle/power.
 
factoid worthless to this board so I'll just stash it here, inappropriately.

Rajon Rondo is 1st player since Magic Johnson in 1983 w/ at least 35 assists & 25 rebounds in his team's 1st 3 games of a season.
 
Hantlers went from being the self professed smartest poster in this thread, to being to proud to take this here letter L. Its probably a decent tactic, waiting to argue about something that you weren't completely wrong about.

I just love to see the progression jazzfanz, stay real. ;)

my scouting report on Trey Burke was spot on, c'mon now, you know this. aint none of yall can tell me nothing, end of discussion. I see my complaints being echo'd on this site, years after the fact.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Hantlers went from being the self professed smartest poster in this thread, to being to proud to take this here letter L. Its probably a decent tactic, waiting to argue about something that you weren't completely wrong about.

I just love to see the progression jazzfanz, stay real. ;)

my scouting report on Trey Burke was spot on, c'mon now, you know this. aint none of yall can tell me nothing, end of discussion. I see my complaints being echo'd on this site.... years after the fact.
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Someone just give this man a belt and a ring already.



Ohhh, and Alex Len 97 draft rating?

Belt and Ring revoked.
 
Good thing I have never professed to be an expert. I just watch Hantlers and do the opposite. That guy is just over-the-top obnoxious about his bbIQ.. if he's even real, and not an alt, anyway..
 
What did Rivals have B.J. Mullens rated?!? Those guys put their names and next to that, I post anonymously on an internet message board, FOR FUN.

didnt ESPN and a bunch of other half-wits have 6'3" Austin Rivers rated over Anthony Davis?!? I'd rather have my own perspective than accept that garbage as the status quo, yall see my hits and misses, i'm either damn lucky or pretty good.

I had Hasheem Thabeet and Enes Kanter rated 97 aswell, how are those not immeasurably worse than Alex Len ?? (whos clearly the suns best option at C).

I liked Len over Nerlens, I'm still up in the air about it, theyre young...

I have $$$ on Nerlens to win the RoY, and was feeling very confident in it, until i watched him grab 1 board in 30 minutes last night, and thought tomyself, well thats probably one of the reasons i preffered 7'1 260lb Alex Len.

That draft aired on ESPN, their 'expert' (Jay Bilas) had Ben McLemore #1...
 
Anyway...

What do yall think of the preseason AP All-American's ??

Marcus Paige,
North Carolina PG Jr. 17.5 ppg, 4.2 apg
Montrezl Harrell, Louisville F Jr. 14.0 ppg, 8.4 rpg
Frank Kaminsky, Wisconsin F Sr. 13.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg
Fred VanVleet,
Wichita State PG Jr. 11.6 ppg, 5.4 apg
Jahlil Okafor,
Duke C Fr. 24.1 ppg, 11.3 rpg*


gotta say, I like Paige in the 2nd round, great value imo, reliable shooting 6'2 PG.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30IXKKzEg-Y

His game always reminded me of Ginobili, cept hes got way more bounce. I call em Mario 'Silent J' Hezonja I'd argue he's tailor made for this style of ball movement, offense tbh, Ive been watching/posting about him for years. the key for Utah is, he's lightning quick at making backdoor cuts, and can flat out kill you working that baseline, spectacular finishes.. top-shelf scoring instincts.

I kinda see it like, Oubre's strength is with the ball, Hezonja's is without the ball and Stanley's is more of a multi-purpose defender, All 3 of them are really damn good though, its splitting hairs.

Fwiw I'd take Jaylen Brown over any of em. I posted about Jaylen on this site when he was 13th or 14th, and said he looked pretty damn good, he's now ranked 1st or 2nd by all services
 
meant to post this play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6fAK_Sfci4

half Ginobili half Kerry Kittles, imo. He's a different type of player than Hood, whos more limited to be on the perimeter, He's also much more aggressive than Hayward, I think he'd look awesome on the Jazz, hes got a way of finishing plays emphatically, Prime Dante would make him look even quicker and more athletic, tbh.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Anyway...

What do yall think of the preseason AP All-American's ??

Marcus Paige,
North Carolina PG Jr. 17.5 ppg, 4.2 apg
Montrezl Harrell, Louisville F Jr. 14.0 ppg, 8.4 rpg
Frank Kaminsky, Wisconsin F Sr. 13.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg
Fred VanVleet,
Wichita State PG Jr. 11.6 ppg, 5.4 apg
Jahlil Okafor,
Duke C Fr. 24.1 ppg, 11.3 rpg*


gotta say, I like Paige in the 2nd round, great value imo, reliable shooting 6'2 PG.
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I like the list okay. Especially considering this is college play this year.. and in no way projects ceilings.
I probably like Harrell the least on that list.. followed by Kaminsky. I'm not so sure Dekker isn't better than Kaminsky.. we kinda exposed him in the tourney, even without WCS.
 
Can someone refresh me on why Austin Rivers was ranked #1 in the land? Because he scored 30 points on an ESPN game vs Brandon Knight as a sophomore??

or was it something they called "intangibles"? thats what i remember. that word was attached to Michael Kidd Gilchrist also.

Isnt it insane that these professionals, could use the word intangibles to describe something, the irony is too much. thats the last word id ever want someone to use if i was paying for reports, im looking for tangible, actionable information, goddamnit :D.

'we have such a great grasp on his 'intangibles' that were going to throw out other tangible evidence and rank him #1.'

and thats why i almost signed up for these premium scouting services, but it felt morally corrupt, Infact im giving 50 bux to the next homless person I see, they cant possibly spend it more recklessly than on some 'experts' opinions.
 
Well i wasnt around here then, and really its not Autin Rivers fault, he just so happened to be in the same highschool class as Anthony Davis, the fact that that happened, to me is quite... curious...

This question deserves more attention;

Howd what turned out to be the best prospect in several years avoid the #1 ranking?!

I dont think Jabari or Andrew Wiggins are even remotely close to Davis, thats the type of question, there's too much $$$ on the line, Bigs win championships, you choose Davis 1000 out of 1000 times... It seems like chances are bleak that we see any player even come close to Davis for several years.

Karl Towns has a chance, but its unlikely, It'd involve something we havent seen in the NBA in generations. Im skeptical Jaylen Brown or Ben Simmons being that type of gamechanger on the NBA level, Thon Maker would have to be the second coming of Dirk to pull it off, i cant say thats likely.

Harry Giles is the first one i think that has a decent shot, but again, i dont like his chances, I'd say the same of DeAndre Ayton, Troy Brown, Malik Monk, Jarred Vanderbilt and Simi ****tu. Bagley III has the best chance, the way i see it, and asking crazy questions like this is how i came to that conclusion.. I actually like his chances... what cant he do?
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Hantlers went from being the self professed smartest poster in this thread, to being to proud to take this here letter L. Its probably a decent tactic, waiting to argue about something that you weren't completely wrong about.

I just love to see the progression jazzfanz, stay real. ;)

my scouting report on Trey Burke was spot on, c'mon now, you know this. aint none of yall can tell me nothing, end of discussion. I see my complaints being echo'd on this site, years after the fact.
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Oh no! I was wrong about a player!! I don't know what I'll do with myself now. My entire e-cred as a basketball scout is ruined. Dammit man, this is probably the worst thing ever.
 
PKM said:
Good thing I have never professed to be an expert. I just watch Hantlers and do the opposite. That guy is just over-the-top obnoxious about his bbIQ.. if he's even real, and not an alt, anyway..
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I can find many posts of yours where you were saying that I knew a lot. Which I always found humorous because even I know I don't know a lot. Not surprised to see you flip-flopping though. Calipari taught you well.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Well i wasnt around here then, and really its not Autin Rivers fault, he just so happened to be in the same highschool class as Anthony Davis, the fact that that happened, to me is quite... curious...

This question deserves more attention;

Howd what turned out to be the best prospect in several years avoid the #1 ranking?!

I dont think Jabari or Andrew Wiggins are even remotely close to Davis, thats the type of question, there's too much $$$ on the line, Bigs win championships, you choose Davis 1000 out of 1000 times... It seems like chances are bleak that we see any player even come close to Davis for several years.

Karl Towns has a chance, but its unlikely, It'd involve something we havent seen in the NBA in generations. Im skeptical Jaylen Brown or Ben Simmons being that type of gamechanger on the NBA level, Thon Maker would have to be the second coming of Dirk to pull it off, i cant say thats likely.

Harry Giles is the first one i think that has a decent shot, but again, i dont like his chances, I'd say the same of DeAndre Ayton, Troy Brown, Malik Monk, Jarred Vanderbilt and Simi ****tu. Bagley III has the best chance, the way i see it, and asking crazy questions like this is how i came to that conclusion.. I actually like his chances... what cant he do?
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I'm confused.. are you suggesting Davis was in the same recruiting class as Jabari and Wiggins?
 
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