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New Scientist is reporting that the first human head transplant could take place in the next two years. For Demarcus's sake, I hope they speed up that timetable.
 
This is from rotoworld.com

General manager Rob Hennigan said the Magic could move back in the draft.
"I would say we've talked to at least a half-dozen teams about it," Hennigan said. "So it's something we're definitely considering and weighing sincerely: potentially moving back." The Magic hold the fifth pick in the draft and that pick could held a big return, especially if Kristaps Porzingis falls that far.
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Wonder how far they want to move down and who they would be targeting?
 
It could also be that the draft isn't as strong at the top as many fans think it is. Kind of reminds me of 2013 minus Towns, Okafor and Russell - who all would have gone #1 that year IMO.
 
orangello said:
Yuck. Now I want no part of Payne.

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While those measurements are near identical and some of their college stats are too. I like Payne's chances much more than I did Trey's. I think Payne sees the floor better, he's sharper. shows better instincts. has more untapped potential and is shiftier.

He's definitely the closest thing you will find to Steph Curry in this draft.

This class is no-doubt regarded as stronger than 2013's, and Payne has seemingly achieved lottery status as a sophomore from a Mid-Major on relatively little exposure nationally. To me there's just a palpable different quality with this kid and Trey; he's a more pesky defender, there's no way he'd average under a steal per game on 30 mpg.

His personality seems a bit like Dante's I've gotta say, except the Tennessee version. Solid leadership qualities, he's low ego, and absolutely ultra-confident. I like his chances at being a starter in this league eventually. He could be a flamethrower off the bench though and play the Lou Williams role if need be. Cam actually figures to be like if Lou Williams was a good PG..

"Trigger finger" Trey has proven to be too predictable for my tastes, Cam will play quicker but more mistake prone, in the classic sense of mistake prone - if Trey's shot selection is being factored in, he makes plenty of mistakes.

Payne's a lefty, which helps him at least appear a bit more shifty, he's lighter on his feet regardless. His shooting mechanics, especially off the dribble are ultra quick. he sets his feet like Steph, even when he's dribbling right. As the draft nears I find myself thinking that I'd sign up for Payne at 12 , in-part, because Trey can still return value in trade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsJ2BJXvBpw - 2:25 (play on mute)
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Why so many reports of teams in top 5-6 wanting to move down.?
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Ellis269 said:
It could also be that the draft isn't as strong at the top as many fans think it is. Kind of reminds me of 2013 minus Towns, Okafor and Russell - who all would have gone #1 that year IMO.
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A large tier of mediocrity? With some teams at the top hoping to collect an asset for trading back and selecting a player that is on the same tier anyway.
 
KAT has officially been informed by Minnie that they will take him #1. No shock, I know, but I guess they have made it official.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
While those measurements are near identical and some of their college stats are too. I like Payne's chances much more than I did Trey's. I think Payne sees the floor better, he's sharper. shows better instincts. has more untapped potential and is shiftier.

He's definitely the closest thing you will find to Steph Curry in this draft.

This class is no-doubt regarded as stronger than 2013's, and Payne has seemingly achieved lottery status as a sophomore from a Mid-Major on relatively little exposure nationally. To me there's just a palpable different quality with this kid and Trey; he's a more pesky defender, there's no way he'd average under a steal per game on 30 mpg.

His personality seems a bit like Dante's I've gotta say, except the Tennessee version. Solid leadership qualities, he's low ego, and absolutely ultra-confident. I like his chances at being a starter in this league eventually. He could be a flamethrower off the bench though and play the Lou Williams role if need be. Cam actually figures to be like if Lou Williams was a good PG..

"Trigger finger" Trey has proven to be too predictable for my tastes, Cam will play quicker but more mistake prone, in the classic sense of mistake prone - if Trey's shot selection is being factored in, he makes plenty of mistakes.

Payne's a lefty, which helps him at least appear a bit more shifty, he's lighter on his feet regardless. His shooting mechanics, especially off the dribble are ultra quick. he sets his feet like Steph, even when he's dribbling right. As the draft nears I find myself thinking that I'd sign up for Payne at 12 , in-part, because Trey can still return value in trade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsJ2BJXvBpw - 2:25 (play on mute)
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I'm not saying he will be Trey(although to be fair I posed the question earlier if he'd be Trey 2.0), but I'm saying he will have very similar issues with finishing in the lane and around the rim. That's almost a certainty. His success would depend heavily on his ability to knock down shots. And he hasn't shown an ability in college better than what Trey was showing in a better conference against much better competition and on a much bigger stage.

I personally would rather pick Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn next year than Payne this year. I'd give Trey one more year to see what he can do and if he can improve. If he still sucks... prepare for letting him go and either pick up a vet or pick one of the two I mentioned.
 
I'd be fine with Dunn, but I think he'll be outside of the Jazz range next year. I'd probably look hard at trading up into the late 1st this year for Delon Wright or Jerian Grant (depending on how far they fall.)
 
Could be right but at the same time according to DX he is a good finisher due to being very skilled with the floater shot and he's much quicker then Trey


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stitches said:
I'm not saying he will be Trey(although to be fair I posed the question earlier if he'd be Trey 2.0), but I'm saying he will have very similar issues with finishing in the lane and around the rim. That's almost a certainty. His success would depend heavily on his ability to knock down shots. And he hasn't shown an ability in college better than what Trey was showing in a better conference against much better competition and on a much bigger stage.

I personally would rather pick Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn next year than Payne this year. I'd give Trey one more year to see what he can do and if he can improve. If he still sucks... prepare for letting him go and either pick up a vet or pick one of the two I mentioned.
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There haven't been that many great PG prospects of late. FWIW, Payne looks a lot better than Tyler Ennis who went 18 last year. He's probably better than Trey, he's more naturally talented, but the question is how much? And then the question is whether he can play off the ball.

I think the most impact the Jazz can make this year would be to take Turner or Looney. Particularly Looney could have a big impact even if he pans out just a little bit.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Could be right but at the same time according to DX he is a good finisher due to being very skilled with the floater shot and he's much quicker then Trey


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They were saying the same things about Trey... they look at what they do against shorter, smaller, not very fast competition.

Pre-draft DX report on Trey: "Extremely quick with the ball, advanced ball handler. Can attack the paint or hurt you from DEEP range. Changes speed extremely well, goes right & left"... "Keeps defenders on his hip. gets into the paint and makes plays"...

Trey was a better prospect in college than Payne is now. The fact that he's failing now in the league, while Payne hasn't had the chance to fail yet is clouding people's judgement.

"Gets in the paint but struggles to finish over length, prone to settling for tough, contested floaters" pretty much the same as Payne... Only Payne probably makes those floaters a bit better, which is not a guarantee to continue against much longer and more physical defenders.
 
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