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How the hell is UCLA so horrible every year with so many prospects projected to be and actually drafted in the NBA?
 
I'm starting to view Lyles as the proper recipient of the Vonleh hype

I wouldn't write off Vonleh yet. Too early to tell.
Same reason I ridicule Otto Porter in his injury plagued rookie season. Even if it was tempting with Cy pimping him pretty hard.
 
How the hell is UCLA so horrible every year with so many prospects projected to be and actually drafted in the NBA?

UCLA was horrible last year?

Shut the **** you ignorant ****. Kyle Anderson was a monster last year and did very well in the Tourney. You ignorant.
 
UCLA was horrible last year?
28-9 with 3 first round picks in (supposedly) one of the strongest drafts in years(only Michigan had as many in the whole draft) and out of the tourney at Sweet 16.
Out of context it's not horrible but when you consider the talent they had, I'd say it's pretty bad.

Shut the **** you ignorant ****. Kyle Anderson was a monster last year and did very well in the Tourney. You ignorant.
I said nothing about the individual players' play. I was commenting on the team and their inability to capitalize on major talent.

This year they are even worse. They have another potential lottery pick in Looney, another potential first rounder in Powell, and are even worse than last year.
 
and you do?

UCLA is a west coast team so they never get publicity. hence the feeling they have done nothing.

Yeah, I've been watching college basketball my whole life, before it was just prospect scouting for Jazz picks.

NBA talent doesn't equal NCAA success. Completely different things. And talent is subjective. UCLA doesn't have much legit NBA talent outside of Looney (who is a very raw talent). UCLA doesn't many great upper classmen besides Powell, and Powell is just meh (especially offensively). So unless you think Bryce Alford is a stud, UCLA is playing about how they should given their talent and age.
 
How the hell is UCLA so horrible every year with so many prospects projected to be and actually drafted in the NBA?

Yeah, I've been watching college basketball my whole life, before it was just prospect scouting for Jazz picks.

NBA talent doesn't equal NCAA success. Completely different things. And talent is subjective. UCLA doesn't have much legit NBA talent outside of Looney (who is a very raw talent). UCLA doesn't many great upper classmen besides Powell, and Powell is just meh (especially offensively). So unless you think Bryce Alford is a stud, UCLA is playing about how they should given their talent and age.

UCLA has had AWFUL coaching. Done very little with a lot of talent. There.. everyone wins.
 
Yeah, I've been watching college basketball my whole life, before it was just prospect scouting for Jazz picks.

NBA talent doesn't equal NCAA success. Completely different things. And talent is subjective. UCLA doesn't have much legit NBA talent outside of Looney (who is a very raw talent). UCLA doesn't many great upper classmen besides Powell, and Powell is just meh (especially offensively). So unless you think Bryce Alford is a stud, UCLA is playing about how they should given their talent and age.

According to rivals, Looney, Bolden, and Welsh were all top 41 players nationally. Sounds like a pretty strong haul to me. Or are some of those guys not there or not playing?
 
According to rivals, Looney, Bolden, and Welsh were all top 41 players nationally. Sounds like a pretty strong haul to me. Or are some of those guys not there or not playing?

Bolden isn't playing at all.

Welsh plays 15 mpg.

Not everyone can be UK with their Freshman.
 
I wouldn't write off Vonleh yet. Too early to tell.
Same reason I ridicule Otto Porter in his injury plagued rookie season. Even if it was tempting with Cy pimping him pretty hard.
Oh no, I'm not writing anyone off. I understand young, inexperienced players don't come in and star in the league and that it often takes years to become a starter. It just seemed like there was a substantial bit of hype for Vonleh, while Lyles (while getting lotsa love here) doesn't seem to garner the same adulation. I can't understand why not. He looks like he'll be a solid defender and looks much more fluid and makes quicker decisions on offense than Vonleh does/did. Not sure either one will ever have much of a driving game, despite what PKM says about his handles. Vonleh has decent handles, but no explosion to get by his man on the first step. I need to watch Lyles more to get a sense of his athleticism. Didn't really pay attention last time.
 
Oh no, I'm not writing anyone off. I understand young, inexperienced players don't come in and star in the league and that it often takes years to become a starter. It just seemed like there was a substantial bit of hype for Vonleh, while Lyles (while getting lotsa love here) doesn't seem to garner the same adulation. I can't understand why not. He looks like he'll be a solid defender and looks much more fluid and makes quicker decisions on offense than Vonleh does/did. Not sure either one will ever have much of a driving game, despite what PKM says about his handles. Vonleh has decent handles, but no explosion to get by his man on the first step. I need to watch Lyles more to get a sense of his athleticism. Didn't really pay attention last time.

His athleticism is average. Not bad average, just average.
And how dare you second guess anything I say. Especially from you.. it's disgustingly insulting.
 
Lyles looks like a guy who can fit smoothly in a system and perform well. I'm not saying he's an alpha dog or go-to scorer, but I think he could fit in to a high-level team and contribute every night as a versatile and complementary player. He's got a decent IQ and nice skill set. That said, I still like the top-3 guys, Porzingis, Hezonja and Winslow ahead of Lyles. I'm okay with Johnson too.
 
You can see what Lyles' athleticism looked like in high school. Not bad for a 6'10" guy. I'm not a fan of his candy-wack shoes though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug5_PMYKcKY
 
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