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Bodhi said:
People mischaracterize or dramatize the people on here that are dissatisfied with Dante so far. Saying people expect him to be "dominant" is a perfect example.

The truth is Quin very much said, as recently as late last week, that he very much wants to see Dante let it go and that he would be complete fine with mistakes made in that pursuit. He specifically mentioned this from an offensive standpoint.

Most of the comments I see, here, in regards to dissatisfaction with Dante, have to do with the fact that Dante is massively passive and gets rid of the ball as fast as he gets it. I think most believe he has a great first step and at least can use that to collapse the D to help create opportunities for others, if he doesn't actually have the confidence to take it to the hole. But, no, he's made himself the "designated ball catcher then ball passer guy". Hard to keep him in games at that point and is scary from a mental aspect standpoint.

If you're someone that sees this, does that mean you're giving up on Dante? Nope. Its just acknowledging what's in front of your face.
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That's been my point. Quin is ASKING Dante to be more aggressive. He's openly telling him it's not a big deal if he makes some turnovers in the process. He's repeated this SEVERAL times, yet Dante still WON'T drive. It's really 50-50, IMO whether Dante has a career like Marvin Williams: drafted high based on potential, but just didn't have the intensity to become great; or Derrick Favors, who just took a couple of years to settle in and is now realizing how great he can be.
 
Jazz4ever said:
He's slower than Kanter. Right now Gobert and Kanter can be played together to some extent, don't think you could play Gobert and Tomic together.
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Tomic and Gobert might be interesting in offense since both of them can pass and Tomic can hit a midrange jumper, but I don't see how Tomic could guard PFs. Maybe we can try Gobert guarding PFs... He had somewhat of a success against Davis. But in general I guess the point of it is that Tomic will play back up to Gobert and not play with him at the same time on the field.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Tomic's defense can't be any worse than Kanter's, right?
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Tomic is a center. He's not going to guard out on the perimeter. To that end, I think Porzingis can guard out on the floor. He moves quite well.

Regarding Myles Turner, I see some bust potential there unless he improves his mobility.
 
Stifle Tower said:
That's been my point. Quin is ASKING Dante to be more aggressive. He's openly telling him it's not a big deal if he makes some turnovers in the process. He's repeated this SEVERAL times, yet Dante still WON'T drive. It's really 50-50, IMO whether Dante has a career like Marvin Williams: drafted high based on potential, but just didn't have the intensity to become great; or Derrick Favors, who just took a couple of years to settle in and is now realizing how great he can be.
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I think Dante is a competitor and he'll want to impact games. He's just pacing himself. There may also be a bit of rookie-wall going on here. He's never played a schedule anything like this before. I do sound like I'm making excuses for him... I think by the last 2 weeks of the season he'll start showing some things.
 
stitches said:
Tomic and Gobert might be interesting in offense since both of them can pass and Tomic can hit a midrange jumper, but I don't see how Tomic could guard PFs. Maybe we can try Gobert guarding PFs... He had somewhat of a success against Davis. But in general I guess the point of it is that Tomic will play back up to Gobert and not play with him at the same time on the field.
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OK, then bring over Tomic and play him behind Gobert. That allows Favors to play all 36 minutes at PF and Booker to be the backup. Jazz either draft a guy like Porzingis to develop for a year; then make a decision to re-sign Booker or not, or go with a wing.
 
What do y'all think of Oubre? I was just watching some replays of him and he looks unrefined but with all the tools.
 
Catchall said:
I think Dante is a competitor and he'll want to impact games. He's just pacing himself. There may also be a bit of rookie-wall going on here. He's never played a schedule anything like this before. I do sound like I'm making excuses for him... I think by the last 2 weeks of the season he'll start showing some things.
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If this were a "rookie wall" scenario, then I would have expected him to be aggressive at the first of the season. He wasn't. He had a few moments of his first summer league game where he tried to do more than just make a perimeter pass. Nothing has really demonstrated that he's a "competitor."
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
LOL at the Tomic love. We think Kanter's a turnstile on defense? This board would have an aneurysm watching Tomic from everything I've read.
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His defense is pretty mediocre(even that might be high praise), maybe at about the same level as Enes... But we are talking about him coming off the bench, not playing against starters and potentially getting much less money for it than Enes will command in free agency.

edit: I just checked his stats this season - for a 7'2'' he's disgustingly bad shotblocker - 0.1bpg...
 
Catchall said:
I think Dante is a competitor and he'll want to impact games. He's just pacing himself.
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You think he's a competitor eh? I don't even know what to do with that.

He's pacing himself? Against his coaches explicit wishes? He has a better idea of what he needs to develop than his head coach?
 
Bodhi said:
You think he's a competitor eh? I don't even know what to do with that.

He's pacing himself? Against his coaches explicit wishes? He has a better idea of what he needs to develop than his head coach?
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I'm one of those glass-is-half-full, optimist guys.
 
Catchall said:
The Jazz have now played 41 games, half the season.

They have the same record as they had last year: 14/27.


Carry on.
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Sounds like we'll get around the 5th pick again then. Currently DX has Porzingis as the #5 pick. He'll be an exciting addition.


#TradeKanter
 
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