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Following potential 2017 draftees...

BTP said:
Tbh when you watch the Jazz and Rudy, then length matters around the rim most of the time.
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This is why I'm really kinda hoping the Jazz consider trying to move for the #3 pick in the 2018 draft... Even tho the cost will be very high.

The reward would be Ayton or Bamba tho and as an added bonus they'd be restricted when Rudy's new extension runs out so there's a bit of insurance value just in case... Both of them are so long and athletic I truly believe either would eventually fill in better than Favors, they both have 3pt range. Bamba's WS is like 7'9"(you can see he's starting to fill out these days).. Ayton's pretty much a bigger badder version of Favors -- I believe he'd be sorta like putting David Robinson next to Rudy, he shoots 3's tho...


There's some interesting candidates in this draft pool tho the 3 that really standout are Hartenstein, Robert Williams and Jeanne... (I really like Dos Anjos too but he's a pure C and can't play with Rudy - unless in a 3-2 zone. He's a stash candidate anyways unless he wants to pull an Ivica Zubac).
 
Also Borisa Simanic is worthy of mention. He's definitely got a 7'3+ ws along with some handle and a lil bit of a J(3-pt range), he might be a wildcard but I doubt we'll see him in this draft, unless it's as a stash candidate with a promise. He's too raw. He's probably closer to 6'11" than 6'10" tho.. (Obviously a better prospect than Alpha Kaba long-term)

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That's Jeanne defending him btw who's in the 7'7 ws range.)


I'd be excited to see the Jazz take a flier especially in the 2nd rd it'd be great value. He's certainly way more athletic than Lyles..

He's tough too I like his body language, reminds me a bit of what you see from Nikola Jokic at times in the league..
 
BTP said:
So Draymond potential? Well that would be intriguing for a team that already has some pieces. Hartenstein on the other hand has phenomenal upside on offense. I don't know much about him. But if I compare his size with Howard, Howard has a 4 inch advantage in standing reach and longer arms. There're not many guys at that size that are truly elite defensively.
Think about the Lakers who got D'Snitchchat, Ingram and Randle - all project to become very good on offense. They could be intrigued by a defensive anchor, screensetter and lobtarget. They won't have their pick though if it falls below 3 - too bad.
Other teams like the Mavs, Heat, Nets, Magic or Suns don't have their two potential stars in the making, some not even one. They should always take a chance on someone with Hartenstein's toolkit and pray that he ends up in the Durant, Porzingis, Giannis stratosphere.
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I'm not sure if he can ever be a playmaker in the same way Draymond is, but he doesn't have to be. He can be one of the most versatile defenders in the league though. And he can be an athletic finisher in the PnR and on cuts, and he can finish above the rim with ease on lobs. He can also probably punish opponents in the post on switches(he's very strong). Even though Bam is not at the Draymond level of playmaker, I've been pleasantly surprised by his passing. He makes the simple and correct passes almost always. He seems to play the game right.

I don't trust Hartenstein's defense and motor at all. I don't know if you've watched him but he seems like a pouter too. He gets pissed off at teammates and gives up on plays on D as retaliation when something doesn't go his way on offense. His offensive game is intriguing, but again... I can't stand this type of attitude. I would HATE to have to cheer for such a player. He's a bit like Cousins like that, except... never having done anything to deserve any sort of leeway with his attitude.
 
stitches said:
I'm not sure if he can ever be a playmaker in the same way Draymond is, but he doesn't have to be. He can be one of the most versatile defenders in the league though. And he can be an athletic finisher in the PnR and on cuts, and he can finish above the rim with ease on lobs. He can also probably punish opponents in the post on switches(he's very strong). Even though Bam is not at the Draymond level of playmaker, I've been pleasantly surprised by his passing. He makes the simple and correct passes almost always. He seems to play the game right.

I don't trust Hartenstein's defense and motor at all. I don't know if you've watched him but he seems like a pouter too. He gets pissed off at teammates and gives up on plays on D as retaliation when something doesn't go his way on offense. His offensive game is intriguing, but again... I can't stand this type of attitude. I would HATE to have to cheer for such a player. He's a bit like Cousins like that, except... never having done anything to deserve any sort of leeway with his attitude.
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YOu could argue Cousins has also never done anything, since his teams have always been losing.
I wouldn't bet against an 18yr old's attitude. If he's there at 10 and wants to come over right away I'd had to think about him really hard - and that's not because of shared nationality.
Just look at the past drafts where GMs ignored upside or focused too much on personality.
2013 the all time bad year at the time may now have produced the best player since Durant in '07 or Curry('09) and several other highly productive guys like Gobert, Schröder and Muhammad all dropped because of character concerns or the consequences of those the same year. Meanwhile the Magic drafted good guy Dipo at #2 and have refrained from drafting max upside until '15 and find themselves in a hole where their collective upside is a #8 seed. Happy birthday, Rob Hennigan.
A lot of 18 yr olds overestimate themselves and have very high expectations and opinions of themselves. Some are just more socially aware and crafty enough to hide it to an extent.
Hartenstein getting pissed means at least he cares about the game and the outcome. You could interpret that as desire to win. He'll have time to learn to do it in a less disruptive way.
Psych examination and interviews will probably be important for him to win supporters in front offices.
 
BTP said:
YOu could argue Cousins has also never done anything, since his teams have always been losing.
I wouldn't bet against an 18yr old's attitude. If he's there at 10 and wants to come over right away I'd had to think about him really hard - and that's not because of shared nationality.
Just look at the past drafts where GMs ignored upside or focused too much on personality.
2013 the all time bad year at the time may now have produced the best player since Durant in '07 or Curry('09) and several other highly productive guys like Gobert, Schröder and Muhammad all dropped because of character concerns or the consequences of those the same year. Meanwhile the Magic drafted good guy Dipo at #2 and have refrained from drafting max upside until '15 and find themselves in a hole where their collective upside is a #8 seed. Happy birthday, Rob Hennigan.
A lot of 18 yr olds overestimate themselves and have very high expectations and opinions of themselves. Some are just more socially aware and crafty enough to hide it to an extent.
Hartenstein getting pissed means at least he cares about the game and the outcome. You could interpret that as desire to win. He'll have time to learn to do it in a less disruptive way.
Psych examination and interviews will probably be important for him to win supporters in front offices.
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If you have desire to win, you don't throw teammates under the bus and you don't refuse to do your job on one end of the floor because something didn't go your way on O. This doesn't scream like "I get pissed off cuz I want to win so much". This screams "I get pissed off cuz I didn't get to finish this or that offensive possession and I don't care if this costs us the game, I'm gonna show you how pissed off I am by not defending".

I'm not sure he's worth a top 10 pick even purely talent wise. Especially in this draft. I have about 15 players at least I'd take before him. Just my 2 cent.
 
stitches said:
If you have desire to win, you don't throw teammates under the bus and you don't refuse to do your job on one end of the floor because something didn't go your way on O. This doesn't scream like "I get pissed off cuz I want to win so much". This screams "I get pissed off cuz I didn't get to finish this or that offensive possession and I don't care if this costs us the game, I'm gonna show you how pissed off I am by not defending".

I'm not sure he's worth a top 10 pick even purely talent wise. Especially in this draft. I have about 15 players at least I'd take before him. Just my 2 cent.
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This feels like cherry picking to me. Maybe you've watched him play more than I did. Idk.
 
Ivan Rabb and Cal are getting drilled by UCLA. He's taking(4) and making(3) 3;s in 2017 tho... Interested to see how that develops..
 
Rui Hachimuira is probably the player your looking for if you want a Cameron Oliver style SF [MENTION=10]Crocodile Dante[/MENTION]


He's very raw, his english is a work in progress too. I'd be pretty amped if the Jazz got him with one of the 1st rd picks tho.. I wouldn't complain. He's REALLY athletic, he effortlessly launches off the floor with tremendous force.


I'm bout 85% sure he's being underlisted heightwise too. He looks 6'10" to me.



He actually reminds me a bit of Michael Beasley.... I doubt he'd reach Utah's range, more like top-20.
 
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UCLA has so many good players. TJ Leaf had one of the best dunks I've seenb this season. Leaf is so great at so many things, but imo, the best part of his game is his post game- specifically his jump hook. I'm afraid however that his nba team will make him either a SF or a stretch 4 and we'll never see him in the post and never see that beautiful and unstoppable jump hook. It's a shame.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
UCLA has so many good players. TJ Leaf had one of the best dunks I've seenb this season. Leaf is so great at so many things, but imo, the best part of his game is his post game- specifically his jump hook. I'm afraid however that his nba team will make him either a SF or a stretch 4 and we'll never see him in the post and never see that beautiful and unstoppable jump hook. It's a shame.
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In a system like Snyders he could play 3 and still get mouse in the house opportunities to use the hook(Like we see from JJ). Especially with good passing bigs on the perimeter like Lyles/Diaw..
 
Major props if you can ID the font used on the "Thank you for watching" in the closing frame of this vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720elMpRzlI&t=37s
 
Am I crazy or does Gonzaga Fr. Zach Collins look like a 7-foot younger version of popular character actor William Fichter?

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PG_AB said:
Don't sleep on this Nevada - San Diego St. game.

Zylan Cheatham vs Cameron Olvier will be a war.


(Not relevant to this thread) Nevada's got this undersized 2 guard X-fer Marcus Marshall who drops tons of buckets every game I've watched him play..


Oliver opens the game with a 3..
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I actually saw Zylan Cheatham play live during high school at a tournament we were at. Dude was the best player in the gym by far. Dunk after dunk. Hard to really get a gauge on a guy who plays against teams that I did. He had 42 the game I watched (his team still lost though).
 
White Chocolate said:
I actually saw Zylan Cheatham play live during high school at a tournament we were at. Dude was the best player in the gym by far. Dunk after dunk. Hard to really get a gauge on a guy who plays against teams that I did. He had 42 the game I watched (his team still lost though).
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Good story, not surprising tho.
Pointed him out here last yr as a freshman he's really got a great combination of ferocity and athleticism, I have great conviction that he's underrated at #85 in DX's sophomore rankings on the strength of his defensive potential.. I feel as if the way he plays is such a stark contrast with Malik Pope, i'm usually left impressed.

If he was a few inches taller it'd be a whole different story. He's going to make the league though in some form - certainly he'd get SL invites/D-league drafted(1st rd D-league draft pick).

SDSU lists him at 6'9", I doubt that's legit but if it were it could help bump him to 2nd rd status. Obviously improving his 3pt shot is paramount, if he can get that going lemme be the first to say he's got SOME parallels with OG Anunoby.

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Improving his perimeter skills can have an explosive effect on his stock, I like his tools on the perimeter defensively. \


One of those types of players that If I was running a High-major program I'd always want a player like that on my team (Even if his skill level doesn't markedly improve). "I'll take him on my team anyday"




Hemsley is the story at SDSU tho. I'm certain. That dude's a PG_AB certified flamethrower.
 
PG_AB said:
I don't see how DX thinks Tony Bradley, Thomas Bryant and Anibogu are better(..

I also have no clue why he wouldn't declare this year.
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I take back the Anibogu and Bradley comments, they've fixed it. I standby the Thomas Bryant and the 2rd comment tho.


(Talmbout Justin Patton)
 
3 2nd rd type players in the state of Tennessee that I haven't mentioned in a while are Vanderbilt's Luke Kornet and Mathew Fisher-Davis and also Chattanooga's Justin Touyo.

Touyo is a bit like Bolomboy. He's an athlete at 6'10", not as chiseled/explosive but Touyo's got some really nice body control/agility.. He'll turn 23 around the time of the draft. He's averaging 3.7 blocks per game in just 27.5 minutes, which means he might lead the nation he's like 2nd right now. He does a good job avoiding fouls, he's got good body control/anticipation. He shoot's 3's not proficiently but he's got some all-around game. NBAdarft really seems to like him.


Matthew Fisher Davis has been making it rain of late and put on a shooting exhibition in a big win over Auburn. Career high 33pts on 7 of 14 from downtown.. He's torching the nets at 44% and over 7 attempts per game. 1 dimensional but he's legit and on the fringe of being drafted. He's also younger than many So.;s as a Jr.


Kornet's played well despite shooting a dreadful 38%, It's rather obvious he'll seriously benefit being on an NBA team just as a bench player type rather than having a team defense focus in on him as we see at Vandy. He's up to 84% FT's which is a good sign. 7'1" PF type.. He's only gonna be turning 22 at the time of the draft too so he's not that old for a Sr. He flashes some all around skill
 
Jazz might be able to get a nice boost of help with people from Japan on All-star votes if they can draft Rui Hachimuira -- He's gonna have quite the following once he touches down in the NBA, he's the most important Japanese player ever and a local hero... He's gotta have extra value to a small-market team... We've already got the most international players of any roster too, this is a perfect spot for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzmwLV1dMNg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05FiAdLTIKA
 
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