I often hear about teams passing on BPA because he was kind of redundant with their 7th man in the rotation.
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I often hear about teams passing on BPA because he was kind of redundant with their 7th man in the rotation.
zyzz
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Eh, it was from a year ago. Mitchell has also tweeted out some of Simons's plays in the last year or so. I think people would know it was just a Louisville connection thing and not anything more.
Anyway, I have no idea what Utah would think about Simons. Based on some tweets from Jazz writers it seems like the Jazz have cooled on him. Or maybe that's what they want you to think. Can't believe anything before the draft lol.
Bawse Dawg
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Simons is much more exciting than 23 year olds. That's for sure.
Game6Conley
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Well i mean Mitchell is probably a pretty good measure of athleticism, he says he checks out. Simons combine stuff was excellent across the board.. Catchall made a post with his #s next to John Walls...
IDK how u can look at the Jazz, or the playoff run and not think they couldn't use a real potent sparkplug off the bench, which is what Simons can provide.
Agreed, that would be nice.....next season. Simons wouldn’t play a meaningful minute for us next year at all. And that’s if he’s not a bust.
Game6Conley
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Going into last summer Simons was considered a high end 4-star recruit, in the top 30 or 40 range(Like Donovan Mitchell was in 2015....), by the end of the summer he was top-10 consensus..... this was one of the big mixes that dropped at the end of that summer. highly suggest this footage if you havent seen.
and before it even begins with the Fultz comps, if Markelle Fultz fell asleep tonight and woke up tomorrow shooting like Anfernee Simons, the 76ers would jump for joy.
The reason I worry about Jerome Robinson is that in order for him to be a rotational player in the NBA he needs to be able to create offense efficiently... simply because he doesn't do anything else great on offense, and he for damn sure isn't going to be a defender. Someone earlier said that his D is a question just like with Murray. No... Murray's D was actually a question. There is no question with Robinson - he is the surest bet in the draft that he won't be able to defend in the league. He's also 2 years older than Murray when Murray got in the league.
Offense creators need to be really really good in order to survive in the league. 52% TS offensive creator is no good in the league. If you are 51-52% TS offensive creator who cannot defend you simply don't play. You offensive creation needs to be above average in order to be viable player... hell... look at Rodney. He's always been around 54-55% TS offensive creator who gives you almost nothing else. His efficiency is about average(or slightly below average) and he couldn't even keep his job on the Jazz and then on the Cavs. And Rodney had multiple advantages over Robinson, starting with being... 3 inches taller... I don't think Robinson will have the athleticism and the wiggle/skill to be efficient scorer in the league and if he does, his role will probably be as a bench-scorer... I don't like this as an upside play for us.
BTW this is the first year Robinson has scored at above average efficiency. His first two years he was at .505 and .515 TS%. The more I think about it, the more I think I need to revise my board and drop him to the second round.
Offense creators need to be really really good in order to survive in the league. 52% TS offensive creator is no good in the league. If you are 51-52% TS offensive creator who cannot defend you simply don't play. You offensive creation needs to be above average in order to be viable player... hell... look at Rodney. He's always been around 54-55% TS offensive creator who gives you almost nothing else. His efficiency is about average(or slightly below average) and he couldn't even keep his job on the Jazz and then on the Cavs. And Rodney had multiple advantages over Robinson, starting with being... 3 inches taller... I don't think Robinson will have the athleticism and the wiggle/skill to be efficient scorer in the league and if he does, his role will probably be as a bench-scorer... I don't like this as an upside play for us.
BTW this is the first year Robinson has scored at above average efficiency. His first two years he was at .505 and .515 TS%. The more I think about it, the more I think I need to revise my board and drop him to the second round.
zyzz
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How do you think his passing/decision making project? I haven't really been able to get a good handle on that. Also how do you think his season would have went if he went to Louisville? I wonder if he's so talented that he could have put up Malik Monk numbers, or if he was too raw to put up good counting stats.
I am and that's why I have him outside of my top 10, but Trae Young has much higher playmaking/scoring/shooting upside. Like... it's not even in the same stratosphere. That's also why I cannot knock people who have him much higher. I absolutely understand it. If he pans out, he can be a tremendous offensive player.
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I’m mentally preparing for us to take Grayson Allen... too much local coverage seems to be high on him. I’d rather take him than Brunson but I’ve just got an icky feeling on this draft.
Robinson shot 53% from 2-pt range, 41% from 3-pt range, and 83% on FTs. He averaged 20.7 ppg and 3.3 apg as the primary option on Boston College. According to Tankathon his True Shooting Percentage was .608, which is excellent for a guard, and his Effective FG % was .564. Considering the volume of 3s he shot and how difficult some of his looks were, these are all great numbers. According to Locke, he shot well off the bounce and off the catch. He's one of the best shooters in the entire draft. The only guard/wing that shot better was Landry Shamet, though I don't think Trae Young was included in Locke's sample.
He projects to be a better shooter than Huerter, in large part due to shooting 7 or 8 percentage points better on free-throws, and he can create looks off the dribble much better late in the clock.
You're worried that he won't get on the floor?
Also, he's not the worst defender in the draft. He'll likely be better than Young, Musa, Trent Jr. and a few others. He puts effort in on defense and moves well. He's not undersized for a 2-guard, which is where he'll play most of the time, and he can play some possessions on the ball as well.
ESPN projects him at 17, and The Ringer has him currently at 23. That's our range.
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It’s going to be DD.
In other contexts, I would normally be in favor of double-Ds, but I'm not keen on drafting Donte.
This is this year. As a third year player playing vs teenagers. He was inefficient chucker in both his previous seasons. I just don't see the elite level skill/wiggle, athleticism that would project into ability to create vs NBA level defenders. I think Huerter will be a better shooter and can shoot it better on the move and he won't be relied to create offense. He just has a much cleaner transition and projection to the league. Robinson's projection is all sorts of messy and I don't trust it at all. Creating offense in the league is sooooo much different than it is in college, especially for a player that shot good for the first time in his 3d year in college. Also, Huerter even though not an amazing defender, at least tries and gives effort on D.
Huerter projects as an off-ball guard/wing who will be spotting up and running through screens and handoffs and making decisions on the move(he's actually legitimately great at that... his decision-making on the move is arguably better than his shot). He also projects as a somewhat switchable defender. I have no worries about his ability to play in the league... as long as his shot projects, which I have little doubts about.
With Robinson... well you can read my post above about the worries I have about his projection.
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Well I guess if you're gonna say JRob is a 3rd year so we shouldn't consider him then nobody should have drafted CJ McCollum neither cos he was beating up teenagers in this 4th year in college.
It's not that he was beating up on teenagers. It's that it's the first time he's doing it and he wasn't doing it his first two years. CJ McCollum had 59% TS% as a freshman. Also, CJ was one of the shiftiest MFers coming out of the draft. Robinson has nowhere close to the wiggle and shiftiness McCollum had.
Ah screw it, now I am hating Jerome Robinson. You guys are making me cynical about picking any of these guys.
This is what The Ringer said about JRob:
I dunno.. are they lying? Did they just make all that up?
He has some skill and he has good handle. otherwise we wouldn't be talking about him as an offense-creator. He's better offensive creator than Huerter for example. The question is - can he be efficient enough to be primary or secondary offensive creator when he's lacking the elite athleticism and wiggle? IMO he needs not just good offensive creation, he needs to be close to elite. Good doesn't do it. Hood was damn near elite as a PnR scorer and on ISOs/postups... and it still wasn't enough. If offensive creation is all he does, he needs to be elite at it, not just good.