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KqWIN said:
Only PG? Never said that. But his value is as a ball dominant player, and Collier cannot play off the ball. Collier would be a horrific pairing with Luka, for example.
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Collier is a rookie. Just like you wouldn't influence your draft due to Keyonte, you arent influencing your draft because Collier cant shoot as a rookie.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Collier is a rookie. Just like you wouldn't influence your draft due to Keyonte, you arent influencing your draft because Collier cant shoot as a rookie.
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Well then we’re in agreement, we shouldn’t let these guys dictate our draft decision. But the two things you mentioned are not all the same thing haha.

But getting back to Kas, I think if you don’t believe in Kas as a ball dominant player and needs to play next to another ball dominant player you shouldn’t consider drafting him anyways. That’s the point of drafting him.
 
JazzFever said:
Yep, at this point I'm hoping he stays kind of mid enough to drop to the Jazz's Timberpup's pick, but the fact is, BYU's offense just scored in the 90s three straight games, two on the road, two top 25 teams and the hub making it work is Demin. He's going to get the Freshman record for assists (for BYU) passing Ainge. He'll probably still go top 10 and people will wait on the shot to progress.
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Saunders is the hub that is making it work though.
Like without Demin BYU wouldn't be as good. But it wouldn't be a huge drop off in play. BYU would still be a good team.
Without Saunders it would be a huge difference in play. BYU would suck.
 
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Speaking of saunders, I feel like there should be more buzz about him.
29 minutes per game.
16 points per game on pretty insane efficiency: 52% from the field, 45% from three, 76% from the line and 62% Efg.
Only 1.3 turnovers per game too.
Insanely good catch and shoot guy. Elevates way high on his jump shot and has a crazy quick release making him almost unguardable. Good defense doesn't have much of an effect on him.

Maybe his age hurts him. Just turned 22 in January.
 
KqWIN said:
Well then we’re in agreement, we shouldn’t let these guys dictate our draft decision. But the two things you mentioned are not all the same thing haha.

But getting back to Kas, I think if you don’t believe in Kas as a ball dominant player and needs to play next to another ball dominant player you shouldn’t consider drafting him anyways. That’s the point of drafting him.
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You draft him because hes a good basketball player, not because you're pigeonholing him into a role on draft night.
 
fishonjazz said:
Speaking of saunders, I feel like there should be more buzz about him.
29 minutes per game.
16 points per game on pretty insane efficiency: 52% from the field, 45% from three, 76% from the line and 62% Efg.
Only 1.3 turnovers per game too.
Insanely good catch and shoot guy. Elevates way high on his jump shot and has a crazy quick release making him almost unguardable. Good defense doesn't have much of an effect on him.

Maybe his age hurts him. Just turned 22 in January.
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Because I doubt he leaves BYU this year. Dont really see him getting near the first round, could be a 2nd round pick or an undrafted 2-way guy, but just seems like he would return to school and get whatever NIL money he is getting and be on a really good BYU team.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Because I doubt he leaves BYU this year. Dont really see him getting near the first round, could be a 2nd round pick or an undrafted 2-way guy, but just seems like he would return to school and get whatever NIL money he is getting and be on a really good BYU team.
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Yep, that's kind of my point.
Not many players are playing better than he is. Based on play alone he should be a top 10 guy in the draft. If he were a top 10 guy in the draft he would definitely leave BYU.
I'm thinking age and maybe lack of athleticism is what is keeping him from rising up the draft boards like he should be doing with his elite level of play.
 
fishonjazz said:
Saunders is the hub that is making it work though.
Like without Demin BYU wouldn't be as good. But it wouldn't be a huge drop off in play. BYU would still be a good team.
Without Saunders it would be a huge difference in play. BYU would suck.
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They're both important. Richie is the hard nosed player that doesn't back down from anything and just gets better the bigger the challenge and is vital to BYU. Demin is the oil in the machine keeping all the parts working together and yes, there would be a big drop off in team play if he wasn't playing- the reason BYU has raised its level of play is the offense functioning so smoothly and that is mostly attributable to Demin, Richie has stepped up a bit, but he's been close to this good all season.
 
fishonjazz said:
Yep, that's kind of my point.
Not many players are playing better than he is. Based on play alone he should be a top 10 guy in the draft. If he were a top 10 guy in the draft he would definitely leave BYU.
I'm thinking age and maybe lack of athleticism is what is keeping him from rising up the draft boards like he should be doing with his elite level of play.
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He has some skill, but just .... no. Not even close to a top 10 pick.
 
fishonjazz said:
Yep, that's kind of my point.
Not many players are playing better than he is. Based on play alone he should be a top 10 guy in the draft. If he were a top 10 guy in the draft he would definitely leave BYU.
I'm thinking age and maybe lack of athleticism is what is keeping him from rising up the draft boards like he should be doing with his elite level of play.
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Between playing with AJ and the scouting eyes that come with that, and NIL, I'm guessing he comes back, unless his agent is hearing he goes in the first round.
 
fishonjazz said:
Speaking of saunders, I feel like there should be more buzz about him.
29 minutes per game.
16 points per game on pretty insane efficiency: 52% from the field, 45% from three, 76% from the line and 62% Efg.
Only 1.3 turnovers per game too.
Insanely good catch and shoot guy. Elevates way high on his jump shot and has a crazy quick release making him almost unguardable. Good defense doesn't have much of an effect on him.

Maybe his age hurts him. Just turned 22 in January.
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Knecht or Caruso a better comp?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You draft him because hes a good basketball player, not because you're pigeonholing him into a role on draft night.
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You draft him because he's good at certain things, and saying he needs to play with someone like Collier is saying he's not good at the things he's supposed to be good at. Talking about a player's strengths is not pigeonholing him lol.
 
JazzFever said:
Knecht or Caruso a better comp?
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knecht is nowhere close efficiency wise: 46%, 40%, 77%, 54% Efg. Compared to 52%, 45%, 76%, and 62% Efg.
Caruso either: 50%, 37%, 78% and 56% Efg.
Caruso as a senior averaged 8 points per game. Saunders as a junior is at 16.

Idk what Saunders comp is. Just know that he is playing as good or better as about any player in the country.
 
default said:
He has some skill, but just .... no. Not even close to a top 10 pick.
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Well ya, all the draft experts agree. The question im proposing is, Why not? Haven't seen an answer yet other than mine of him being 22 years old and not athletic enough maybe.
 
fishonjazz said:
knecht is nowhere close efficiency wise: 46%, 40%, 77%, 54% Efg. Compared to 52%, 45%, 76%, and 62% Efg.
Caruso either: 50%, 37%, 78% and 56% Efg.
Caruso as a senior averaged 8 points per game. Saunders as a junior is at 16.

Idk what Saunders comp is. Just know that he is playing as good or better as about any player in the country.
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I think all guys in Saunders place should take full advantage of NIL and then go out. They will get some two-way deals or maybe a min salary for a year and then can bounce to Europe if things aren't working. Can make a fabulous living playing basketball. Because they have deeper roots with a school like BYU can come back and coach or do stuff in the market to make some additional earnings. I think this is the guy that NIL benefits most. He may end up having an NBA career but now can make a great living in and around basketball and really soak in the experience. He should absolutely use up all of his eligibility imo.
 
KqWIN said:
You draft him because he's good at certain things, and saying he needs to play with someone like Collier is saying he's not good at the things he's supposed to be good at. Talking about a player's strengths is not pigeonholing him lol.
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Yeah, I dont think you know much about Kasparas.
 
So far, the players that look like definite starters going forward for the Jazz are Lauri and Walker. That's probably it at the moment. One of the young guys, whether Keyonte, Isaiah, or maybe Brice, can work as a 5th starter. Otherwise, Keyonte, Brice, Cody, Taylor and Flip make for a promising young bench. Throw in Juzang and maybe KJ Martin as deeper rotation. A few of those young guys will ultimately be moved.

I'd like to see the Jazz get a primary scorer, whether it's Flagg, Harper, Bailey, Johnson, or maybe Edgecombe or Queeen, plus a solid 2-way forward like Bryant or Fleming. That way, they upgrade both offensively and defensively with starter-level prospects. Then they'll need to get another primary guy in next year's draft.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think all guys in Saunders place should take full advantage of NIL and then go out. They will get some two-way deals or maybe a min salary for a year and then can bounce to Europe if things aren't working. Can make a fabulous living playing basketball. Because they have deeper roots with a school like BYU can come back and coach or do stuff in the market to make some additional earnings. I think this is the guy that NIL benefits most. He may end up having an NBA career but now can make a great living in and around basketball and really soak in the experience. He should absolutely use up all of his eligibility imo.
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Well sure but the question i have is why aren't you looking at saunders similar to how you are looking at Kasparas?
Same size. Saunders averages more point in less minutes and way more efficiently. Way less turnovers. I bet saunders is the better defender.
Why isn't saunders getting more hype/buzz is my question that no one seemingly can answer.
Too old? Not athletic enough? Relies too much on catch and shoot rather than creating his own offense?
 
If there's an underrated player in this draft with some star potential, it's probably Noah Essengue. I've become cynical towards overly skinny guys, but I'd believe in Essengue gaining 20 lbs and improving to become a significant scorer sooner than I'd believe in Asa Newell developing true wing skills and playing more than a Nic Claxton-type role. Essengue will be 18 on draft day. If he's still available with the Twolves pick, I think you pretty much have to take him.


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