Following Potential 2025 Draftees

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Who's your 7 and why?

I think the majority of us have Flagg, Harper, Ace, Kas, VJ, and Tre Johnson top 6, so who would you put at #7 and why? If you have someone higher than one of those guys, who and why?

I'm genuinely interested because I'm just not sure at all who I would have there.

I have no idea.

I guess the safe pick would be Kon at 7. He does seem to be pretty good, has an elite NBA skill with good IQ.

But would I ever draft him at 7? Probably not.

I would probably be deciding between Demin, Wolf, Fleming, Bryant, or Malauch

• Demin has a lot of potential if he can ever figure out the scoring/shooting.
• Bryant has a lot of potential as a valuable athletic wing.
• Fleming is good Hendricks insurance as a switchable rim protector who can space the floor.
• Wolf is just interesting
• Malauch has a ton of potential. At 7 Im pretty low on everyone's all-star upside. Malauch would not get a ton of minutes behind Kessler, but you can develop him to trade him. Mark Williams got a valuable future first and Dalton Knecht and that's with his terrible injury history. Or it would allow you to trade Walker if he develops well.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If you squint hard enough while watching Carter Bryant highlight videos you can convince yourself you're watching Jayson Tatum.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

There is no comp

Ok.

Care to elaborate? I made a case for Wolf being Olynyk Jr.

What's your counter argument?

Also, why in god’s name would you use that to demonstrate your point? I don’t know what people think they are seeing when they watch him.

Did you even read the post?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ok.

Care to elaborate? I made a case for Wolf being Olynyk Jr.

What's your counter argument?



Did you even read the post?

Your case was posting one dunk? Nothing about Wolf's athleticism that we talk about is even related to his dunking/vertical ability.

KO looked slow and moved like a high post 5 moves at Gonzaga. Stop trying to pull an okey doke over one grainy 240p dunk.

Wolf moves markedly different than KO with the ball in his hand. Not really comparable. If you want to make the comp on defense, sure, go ahead, but they aren't that alike offensively.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

If you squint hard enough while watching Carter Bryant highlight videos you can convince yourself you're watching Jayson Tatum.

He moves extremely well for his size and seems to have really good active hands on defense.

Offensively he's not really allowed to do much for Arizona, so it's really hard to know what he can do on ball. I'm guessing if he was capable he would get more reps, but that's not always the case.

 

[Qman]

Wolf reminded me of Hedo Turkoglu. Size ball handling and passing. He never got by his defender but it didn’t really matter.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If you squint hard enough while watching Carter Bryant highlight videos you can convince yourself you're watching Jayson Tatum.

I think he has some sneaky Shane Battier potential, but he may have more offensive upside. I think he's going to be one of this year's big risers, like mid-late lottery.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Wolf reminded me of Hedo Turkoglu. Size ball handling and passing. He never got by his defender but it didn’t really matter.

If you liked Mehmet Okur, you should really like Wolf, imo.

 

[KqWIN]

He moves extremely well for his size and seems to have really good active hands on defense.

Offensively he's not really allowed to do much for Arizona, so it's really hard to know what he can do on ball. I'm guessing if he was capable he would get more reps, but that's not always the case.

His on ball flashes are big for me….but it’s not necessarily because I believe he will be some kind of on ball creator. It just shows that he has some feel for the game and isn’t a total zero with the ball in his hands. As much as we like to simplify the 3&D role, I think some versatility and ability to make decisions with the ball quickly has become important for role players.

 

[KqWIN]

We’re doing the thing where we’re just throwing out white guys to compare to wolf now lol.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If you liked Mehmet Okur, you should really like Wolf, imo.

If we are comparing playstyle to past Jazz players, he's more inline with what AK was trying to do when he had the ball in his hands. Really not comparable to Okur in the slightest.

 

[NUMBERICA]

We’re doing the thing where we’re just throwing out white guys to compare to wolf now lol.

There just isn’t a comp for a guy his size with his handles, vision, wiggle, passing chops, IQ, and shooting. But let’s play:

-unathletic Ben Simmons with a jumpshot and suspect defensive ability
-Bigger Hedo Turkoglu
-Franz Wagner in Mo Wagner’s body
-Jumbo Jingles
-Jumbo Kyle Anderson
-Olynyk with a bag and handles and even better passing

We have seen enough dudes that are supposedly disqualifyingly unathletic make it and even dominate in the NBA. The traits common to all of them is that they are sharper than almost everyone else on the court, they are big, they use passing as an effective weapon, and they can shoot the basketball.

Just wanted to also follow up to mention that of Wolf has a significantly better BPM than anyone in the consensus top-6 other than Flagg (who absolutely dwarfs everybody). Wolf actually has a better defensive BPM than offensive. He’s also the best player on the best team in the 2nd best conference in CBB. He will go top-10 and if he doesn’t then it’s a mistake.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

There just isn’t a comp for a guy his size with his handles, vision, wiggle, passing chops, IQ, and shooting. But let’s play:

-unathletic Ben Simmons with a jumpshot and suspect defensive ability
-Bigger Hedo Turkoglu
-Franz Wagner in Mo Wagner’s body
-Jumbo Jingles
-Jumbo Kyle Anderson
-Olynyk with a bag and handles and even better passing

We have seen enough dudes that are supposedly disqualifyingly unathletic make it and even dominate in the NBA. The traits common to all of them is that they are a step ahead of almost everyone else on the court, they are big, they use passing as an effective weapon, and they can shoot the basketball.

Just wanted to also follow up to mention that of Wolf has a significantly better BPM than anyone in the consensus top-6 other than Flagg (who absolutely dwarfs everybody). Wolf actually has a better defensive BPM than offensive. He’s also the best player on the best team in the 2nd best conference in CBB. He will go top-10 and if he doesn’t then it’s a mistake.

I don't know if he'll go top ten (I kind of doubt it), but I'm not going to argue that he shouldn't. I don't personally have him that high, but it's because I'm not really sure if he can shoot or not. He's also not super old, but as an upperclassman I would expect a little more consistency.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't know if he'll go top ten (I kind of doubt it), but I'm not going to argue that he shouldn't. I don't personally have him that high, but it's because I'm not really sure if he can shoot or not. He's also not super old, but as an upperclassman I would expect a little more consistency.

He’s creating a brand new player archetype, give him a minute. The role he plays right now (basically running point on most possessions) is one that he just started doing this year (after transferring from the Ivy League).

He’s shooting in the high 30’s from the low 30’s earlier in the season. He’s also turning the ball over like crazy but refer back to that he’s new to this, blazing a trail, and still has a crazy good BPM (+9.6). He’s going to figure it out and have game-bending ability at the next level.

 

[KqWIN]

There just isn’t a comp for a guy his size with his handles, vision, wiggle, passing chops, IQ, and shooting. But let’s play:

-unathletic Ben Simmons with a jumpshot and suspect defensive ability
-Bigger Hedo Turkoglu
-Franz Wagner in Mo Wagner’s body
-Jumbo Jingles
-Jumbo Kyle Anderson
-Olynyk with a bag and handles and even better passing

We have seen enough dudes that are supposedly disqualifyingly unathletic make it and even dominate in the NBA. The traits common to all of them is that they are sharper than almost everyone else on the court, they are big, they use passing as an effective weapon, and they can shoot the basketball.

Just wanted to also follow up to mention that of Wolf has a significantly better BPM than anyone in the consensus top-6 other than Flagg (who absolutely dwarfs everybody). Wolf actually has a better defensive BPM than offensive. He’s also the best player on the best team in the 2nd best conference in CBB. He will go top-10 and if he doesn’t then it’s a mistake.

He reminds me of Diaw, but like Diaw....I think he's probably more unique than he is good. I only count 6 prospects who I think are top 10 worthy, so I won't rule him out of being drafted top 10, but I think concerns about his shooting, defenses, and role in the NBA are reasonable. Like it's cool to have a 7'0 chunky PG and it's unique, but is that actually game bending versus having a PG of normal size who does those things better?

Also, just a side note about his BPM. BPM has a weird interaction with bigs who can pass. On the whole, BPM does a decent job, but in these edge cases with playmaking bigs it can make the offensive/defensive split very wonky. He deserves credit for his total BPM, but I wouldn't read much into the offensive/defensive split.

 

[kcgar]

He reminds me of Diaw and a very poor man's Jokic.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There just isn’t a comp for a guy his size with his handles, vision, wiggle, passing chops, IQ, and shooting. But let’s play:

-unathletic Ben Simmons with a jumpshot and suspect defensive ability
-Bigger Hedo Turkoglu
-Franz Wagner in Mo Wagner’s body
-Jumbo Jingles
-Jumbo Kyle Anderson
-Olynyk with a bag and handles and even better passing

We have seen enough dudes that are supposedly disqualifyingly unathletic make it and even dominate in the NBA. The traits common to all of them is that they are sharper than almost everyone else on the court, they are big, they use passing as an effective weapon, and they can shoot the basketball.

Just wanted to also follow up to mention that of Wolf has a significantly better BPM than anyone in the consensus top-6 other than Flagg (who absolutely dwarfs everybody). Wolf actually has a better defensive BPM than offensive. He’s also the best player on the best team in the 2nd best conference in CBB. He will go top-10 and if he doesn’t then it’s a mistake.

Only one of those that makes sense to me is jumbo Kyle Anderson imo.

Dalano Banton, Kyle Anderson, Aleksej Pokusevski. Those are 3 players he's probably most closely related too as of recent NBA players.

 

[kcgar]

If you squint hard enough while watching Carter Bryant highlight videos you can convince yourself you're watching Jayson Tatum.

My first time watching him was today. I totally see the Tatum style. I actually really like his highlights but obviously that just shows the good stuff. The percentages are not great at all, but his shot looks good and I feel like he is one of those players could get much better percentages as he gets older and can focus more on it. I imagine his lower usage rate and minutes may contribute to bad shooting percentages as he can't get as good of rhythm. I really liked his willingness to pass.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

My issue with Wolf on the Jazz is that's he pretty redundant to Filipowski and I would rank Filipowski as the better prospect, so I would be more inclined to look for other types of players to fill out the roster, unless he's like the 20 pick and every other interesting player is off the board (possibility).

 

[kcgar]

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This pass out and box out (without just standing and watching the shot) are so good