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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Except that the comparison makes no sense when you take time to think about how different the shooting profiles of Hawkins vs Johnson are.

It wasn't hard to guess Hawkins wouldn't translate. UConn's offense was dedicated to getting him open off screens and they haven't done that for him in New Orleans. He hasn't expanded his skill set at all, so he just a guy who is going to make the occasional 3 here and there (his open shooting is still good, he just can't make anything contested or off the dribble). And he can't guard well enough to stay on the floor and dictate that a team should feature him offensively. I think he shot something like 30% off the dribble his last year at UConn.

Johnson has a more complete shooting profile. The shooting will translate.
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I said as much in my post, you're not telling me anything new. The point is, shooting is a highly variable thing and it's one of the hardest things to predict. I believe Johnson is going to be a good shooter which is literally the first sentence in the post you're responding to. I also know that shooting is something difficult to pin down. If there is one skill that's hard to predict that will translate, it's shooting. We know this from history. You can believe in something, but also acknowledge that some things are subject to variability.

It's not a yes/no question of it will translate. It's also the extent to which a shot will translate. He is elite of the elite as far as prospects go, no doubt, but that doesn't automatically mean he will be elite of the elite in the NBA. There's a lot of level's in between "not translating" and elite of the elite. It's hard to imagine him being a bad shooter in the NBA, but could he end up more like a Clarkson or Poole level shooter? I think he will be better, but those are outcomes that could happen. Even if the shooting does translate 1:1 and he is an elite shooter, he needs to add more to his game to be a true star player. It's difficult to be efficient with his shot profile even if he's an elite shooter.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Memphis draft picks is lottery protected and Ja twisted his ankle in the first play in game.

Grizzlies haven't beaten a Western Conference playoff team since January. If you were a Grizzlies fan would you want to tank the last play in game to keep the pick?
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Yes, they aren’t beating OKC anyways.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Kas is elite because of his ability to hit step back/off the dribble 3. If he can hit it in the NBA it opens up all the other cool playmaking he can do.

I like De Larrea ok (I believe I was one of the first to bring him up in this thread), but Kas without the step back isn't quite as interesting.
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I tend to agree. De Larrea's production warrant's attention, but the film on Kas >>>>.

I do wonder how things might be if Kas's highs and lows came at a different time of the season. He started out hot, but then really fell off after returning from injury. I would be concerned if it was just a case of facing tougher competition, but Kas's numbers are consistent against top 50 opponents so I don't think it's a level of competition thing.
 
framer said:
My prediction is we pick 5th, Ace slides to us there, Jazz say that is who they wanted all along, and Jazzfanz has a meltdown.
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If we pick fifth and Ace falls into our lap I’d be over the moon happy.
SoberasHotRod said:
Kas is elite because of his ability to hit step back/off the dribble 3. If he can hit it in the NBA it opens up all the other cool playmaking he can do.

I like De Larrea ok (I believe I was one of the first to bring him up in this thread), but Kas without the step back isn't quite as interesting.
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I want no part of Kas. I don’t think he’s best player available at 5 and isn’t a position of need.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Memphis draft picks is lottery protected and Ja twisted his ankle in the first play in game.

Grizzlies haven't beaten a Western Conference playoff team since January. If you were a Grizzlies fan would you want to tank the last play in game to keep the pick?
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I hate to say it but, ya probably
 
framer said:
Right now I would be too, but the FOMO will get me. I'm pretty sure Ace is 100% the type of player Danny wants too, but we are going to get a straight smoke screen on Tre and I am going to eat it up
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I feel ya.
 
If we don't get a top three pick, I'm going to be pretty disappointed. My top three...
1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Johnson

VJ has potential, but he has no wiggle to his game and it will be interesting how he measures. Ace could be potentially a great scorer if he learns how to create space.
 
What would increase Jazz chances of winning the title in the next 30 years, Cooper Flagg or moving to the East?
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Which is what Collier did at an elite level as a rookie.
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Collier can't hit a jump shot currently. It would be awesome if he could develop that part of his game and become our pg of the future, but I'm not making decisions on our top pick based on Collier. The Jazz need someone who can both shoot and pass. Kas might also just be at a different level of table setting that elevates the whole offense.
 
gandalfe said:
I've been looking at Danny Wolf. Think he's worth the #21? Imagine him alongside Kesler and Lauri in the frontcourt.
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Absolutely. I wish he could either shoot or had a position in the NBA that I was confident he could defend, but I think he would be worth the risk at 21 for sure.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Collier can't hit a jump shot currently. It would be awesome if he could develop that part of his game and become our pg of the future, but I'm not making decisions on our top pick based on Collier. The Jazz need someone who can both shoot and pass. Kas might also just be at a different level of table setting that elevates the whole offense.
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I don’t see him as a guy that elevates a team. I think he’s too much risk. You should always take the upside with top 5 I don’t see it with him. Don’t think the Jazz should consider anyone outside of most everyone’s top 3 consensus and VJ, Tre, and Kon
 
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