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For those of you doubting Gordon Hayward...

I maintain that we should have BOTH players. Indy would have traded that pick for Millsap and a future first, but we were still in wait-and-see mode. The argument over who is better is clumsy.

I'm glad we don't have Xavier Henry. /threads
 
57.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot.


That said, this season we will get to see what Hayward is, and isn't. He is no longer in anyone's shadow. This team is his for the taking. As my father-in-law always said, if you leave the table hungry it's your fault. If Hayward can't take over this team and become an all-star this season, it's his fault. It is all laid out for him, and he has the experience and years to begin entering his prime. It is really in lots of ways now or never for him. By next season the others will be coming on strong, so Hayward needs to take advantage and become THE MAN right now, this coming year. His time to shine, or burn out.
 
AKMVP said:
I never said it is per 36 min. I said per game. Big difference.
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The big difference is Ty trying to placate his "veterans," including Foye and Marvin Williams. Hayward needs to start and play 35 mins. Then "per game" stats will mean something. By your method, Jazz should just release Kanter, Favors and Burks. All those guys absolutely sucked on a per game basis. On the other hand, definitely bring back Mo, Jefferson and Foye. On a per game basis, their stats were much more impressive.
 
AKMVP said:
At the end of the day it is impossible to have unbiased discussion here - I am out. Sorry, but to me George is All-star and future superstar while Hayward - decent starter, good role player. Until he proves otherwise you guys can call him god or better then George or whatever, as long as that makes you happy I guess.
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Their stats are damn close. Well within variation that each player will experience from season to season, yet to you (being unbiased LMFAO) that makes one a decent starter and the other an all-star. Yeah, you're out. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
There are two areas where George clearly is better than Hayward.

George rebounds better.
George is blacker than Hayward. If Hayward was black do you think we would be calling him "surprisingly" athletic? He is either athletic or not. Just choose one. He can be athletic and white. It is not mutually exclusive.

Paul George might play better defense than Hayward. But Hayward plays pretty darn good D and he is on a terrible defensive team.
 
b_line said:
There are two areas where George clearly is better than Hayward.

George rebounds better.
George is blacker than Hayward. If Hayward was black do you think we would be calling him "surprisingly" athletic? He is either athletic or not. Just choose one. He can be athletic and white. It is not mutually exclusive.

Paul George might play better defense than Hayward. But Hayward plays pretty darn good D and he is on a terrible defensive team.
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George definitely plays better defense than Hayward. Hayward, imo, doesn't have the level of defense it takes to guard the upper echelon of players at most positions. I would feel comfortable with George guard Derrick Rose, I wouldn't feel the same with Hayward.
 
AKMVP said:
So TO are only from making bad passes? Maybe Hayward is better at avoiding charges or stepping out of bounds?
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Why did you delete the part of the post that clearly labeled the post as being sarcastic and act like it was a serious statement?
 
Core4 said:
By your method, Jazz should just release Kanter, Favors and Burks. All those guys absolutely sucked on a per game basis. On the other hand, definitely bring back Mo, Jefferson and Foye. On a per game basis, their stats were much more impressive.
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Hayward played almost 30 min a game two seasons in a row - not much difference from George. Kanter, Burks, Favors are different story - they played way less minutes then Hayward, you can't use them as example.
 
AKMVP said:
I can never tell if you are serious or joking
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You can usually tell he is being sarcastic when he specifically says at the bottom of the post that he was being sarcastic. That's the way I figured it out... Reading is super fun
 
AKMVP said:
Hayward played almost 30 min a game two seasons in a row - not much difference from George. Kanter, Burks, Favors are different story - they played way less minutes then Hayward, you can't use them as example.
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Since when is 29 mpg the same as 37? Hayward and George did not play the same minutes per game. When George's minutes increased, his scoring went up 5 points per game. Hayward's time decreased, and his scoring still went up. This argument about George being a better scorer and passer is false. The are essentially the same offensive production wise. If anything, hay is a slightly better scorer, and George passes slightly more with more turnovers. .4 more assists does not make him clearly a better passer. Especially not when you factor usage and turnover rate.
 
AKMVP said:
So TO are only from making bad passes? Maybe Hayward is better at avoiding charges or stepping out of bounds?
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If I'm reading Hoopdata correctly George had 27 offensive fouls, Hayward had 9, so yeah it factored in a little.
 
Revolution 9 said:
I think we all like/love Hay, but personally I don't think he's a sure thing.
Things are looking good, but some questions about his shooting, and ability as a leader remain.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Hayward a career 40% 3 point shooter, and 80%+ ft shooter?
fishonjazz said:
This thread should probably die now
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Any thread that AKMVP posts in should die... Yes your correct.
 
The only question I have about Hayward's shooting is he can become a better shooter off the dribble, don't have the numbers or anything, but I would assume he is at best an average shooter off the bounce.
 
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