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For those of you who don't like Jimmer...

Jimmer is not a 2, doesn't play like a 2, will never be a 2. I don't care whether your evaluation of him is good or bad, just make sure it comes with the point guard position in mind. His point guard skills have come a long way.
 
He over dribbles too much and get's himself into trouble. He dominates the ball too much. I don't know how good he is when he doesn't have the ball in his hands.

Also when he misses the long range shots it works for a easy fastbreak score for the other team.
 
He's white, he lacks size, lateral quickness, and athleticism, AND he's a chucker. He'd fit right in with the Jazz. Hopefully if we get the #1 pick we take him. And then I'll shove freshley sharpened pencils through my eyes.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Jimmer is not a 2, doesn't play like a 2, will never be a 2. I don't care whether your evaluation of him is good or bad, just make sure it comes with the point guard position in mind. His point guard skills have come a long way.
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This.


Of course, many of the Cougar fans here will continue to assume that anyone who doesn't want to draft Jimmer is a buffoon.
 
Catchall said:
Steve Nash
Chase Buddinger
JJ Reddick
Peja
Mike Bibby (is he white?)
Brent Barry
Marco Belinelli
Manu Ginobli
Jason Kidd
that pg in Sacramento
not sure about Steve Blake
Ricky Rubio if he ever plays

a few others probably
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Only Redick and Buddinger fit that description. The rest are either not white or were not drafted in the last 10 years. FAIL.
 
jope said:
The kid has range beyond 90 percent of current nba players, has the abilty to hit set shots as well as moving or off balance. He creates opportunites for himself at an impressive rate (over 60 percent of his attempts) and has a calm humble demeanor with a decent iq.

That said he is a weak defender. He doesn't have the lateral quickness to defend well. He lacks athletic leaping and movement. He is a below average passer and has has one of the worst a/t.o. ratios among draftable pgs as well as a very low pure point guard rating.

I feel he is suited perfectly for golden state or phoenix. Teams that are fast, that need range and aren't punished for faulty defense by coaching staff. He could be a serious weapon on a team like that off the bench.
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Agreed. He's a very poor fit for the Jazz system. He's too small to play shooting guard, not a good enough passer to play point guard, and a lousy defender. Please don't draft this guy unless he's available in the second round.
 
Beantown said:
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Only Redick and Buddinger fit that description. The rest are either not white or were not drafted in the last 10 years. FAIL.
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Skin color means absolutely nothing. Stop bringing up his skin color. How many MVP's have been white in the past 6 years, guy?
 
Catchall said:
Steve Nash
Chase Buddinger
JJ Reddick
Peja
Mike Bibby (is he white?)
Brent Barry
Marco Belinelli
Manu Ginobli
Jason Kidd
that pg in Sacramento
not sure about Steve Blake
Ricky Rubio if he ever plays

a few others probably
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Well done. This obsession with skin color that some people have is ridiculous.
 
Also Buddinger and Hayward are more SF not guards. Only Reddick was probably worth a first round pick in the last 10 years and he was even drafted too high.
 
Reasons why we should say no to Fredette:
1) The thing he brings to the table is shooting and he is not in the top 100 NCAA players in 3 pt shooting percentage.
2) Tweeners typically only do well if they are tremendously athletic. He is not.
3) Questionable decision making and at times terrible shot selection
4) Turns the ball over too much
5) Has not shown the ability to play against length
6) Never call a grown man Jimmer

He is a great college player. So was Adam Morrison
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Jimmer is not a 2, doesn't play like a 2, will never be a 2. I don't care whether your evaluation of him is good or bad, just make sure it comes with the point guard position in mind. His point guard skills have come a long way.
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gomretat said:
Reasons why we should say no to Fredette:
1) The thing he brings to the table is shooting and he is not in the top 100 NCAA players in 3 pt shooting percentage.
2) Tweeners typically only do well if they are tremendously athletic. He is not.
3) Questionable decision making and at times terrible shot selection
4) Turns the ball over too much
5) Has not shown the ability to play against length
6) Never call a grown man Jimmer

He is a great college player. So was Adam Morrison
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"Have come a long way" and "NBA caliber" are mutually exclusive.

Gom gets it right. Sums it all up right there.

And notice I am not the only one who thinks his name is ridiculous. Of course when I brought it up I got flamed for it. Glad to see so many BYU fans are so charitable.
 
Scorpjazz said:
If only he were a Ute, then Jazzfanz would love him for sure.
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Absolutely WRONG. I may hate BYU, but that ends when it comes to rooting for the success of the Jazz. If we were drafting at the bottom of the first round and he was available, I'd love to have him. If he is available in the second round, I'd love to have him. We need an athletic 2 guard that can shoot and create his own shots. James Fredette can shoot (chuck), but he's not athletic, lacks lateral quickness, and cannot defend. Why do BYU homers think "yeah, that's exactly what the Jazz need!"?
 
Archie Moses said:
Um, why?
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I'll admit he has better numbers than I thought, but I'm not going as far as saying a guy who is averaging 13.5 and 4.5 over 34 mpg in his prime that plays for a team that's going to finish the season around 20 wins is a clear first round draft pick if we were to do it all again. That being said, he's the only one on that list that I dismissed that you could argue for and a fairly good shooter to boot, but don't overvalue him, Archie.
 
I haven't seen that much of Fredette, but he's more athletic and heady than I thought he'd be. He can make passes. He takes some stupid shots, and I'm not sure why. I'm not sure if he launches shots because he's too lazy to run the offense or thinks he can't take on the defense. I'd like to see him in a situation where he isn't being chased and keyed in on all the time by the defense. He has real potential, and by that I mean he could be something close to a Mark Price (after the injury), but he could also bust and end up being a Sarunas Jasevelik (sp?) kind of player. I think he'll be somewhere in between and be a decent pro, but I don't think he's top of the lottery.
 
Jeditiger said:
If the Jazz waste this lotto pick on another unathletic white guy, especially one with the ridiculous nickname of "Jimmer", I'll be pissed!
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I'm glad you weren't are gm. The year Stockton was drafted. I can also think of guys like Mullins Bird, some of the whitest most unathletic players also some of the best ever.

I'm not saying let's draft Jimmer, but I'm also not saying let's not draft Jimmer.

For a white guy that is only 6-1 6-2 and unathletic he really knows how to create his own shot.

Not many guys white black that ca wow a person like the Jimmer, and that's coming from a Utes fan. Stop being so closed minded.
 
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