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For those of you who don't like Jimmer...

Catchall said:
Steve Nash
Chase Buddinger
JJ Reddick
Peja
Mike Bibby (is he white?)
Brent Barry
Marco Belinelli
Manu Ginobli
Jason Kidd
that pg in Sacramento
not sure about Steve Blake
Ricky Rubio if he ever plays

a few others probably
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Maybe he should have mentioned American white guys

Steve Nash - Canadian, more than 10 years ago
Chase Budinger - 2nd round, not that good
JJ Reddick - Took his precious time, tweener
Peja - not American, always been an atrocious defender
Mike Bibby - not white
Brent Barry - more than 10 years ago
Marco Belinelli - not American
Manu Ginobili - not American
Jason Kidd - not white
Beno Udrih - inconsistent/took his time/not american
Steve Blake - *shrug*
Ricky Rubio - hasn't played in the NBA, not american
 
tonstermits said:
The Jazz have a golden opportunity to get something decent this draft, why blow it on Jimmer? He has deficiencies that cannot be fixed. You can't teach him how to keep up with the freak athletes in the NBA, especially on the perimeter. Jimmer can shoot which means he is nothing more than a niche player. The Jazz would be foolish to draft a niche player with a top 10 pick.
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We might have two picks. One hopefully top 6 the other near the end of the lottery. We are talking about taking him with the 13th or 14th pick. Who will be better at this point?
 
Catchall said:
White people are rarely explosive athletic freaks with 40" vertical jumps, but I wouldn't say they're mostly stiff. There's something in between. Ostertag is stiff. David Lee is mildly stiff. AK isn't. Nash isn't. Dirk isn't stiff. To be honest, Jimmer isn't stiff either.

Since we're talking elephants in the living room here, has anyone figured out what race Blake Griffin is?
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He's a mulatto (a mixture of races), like Mike Bibby, Jason Kidd, and Deron Williams. Did you know people can breed interracially? Welcome to the 16th century.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Maybe he should have mentioned American white guys

Steve Nash - Canadian, more than 10 years ago
Chase Budinger - 2nd round, not that good
JJ Reddick - Took his precious time, tweener
Peja - not American, always been an atrocious defender
Mike Bibby - not white
Brent Barry - more than 10 years ago
Marco Belinelli - not American
Manu Ginobili - not American
Jason Kidd - not white
Beno Udrih - inconsistent/took his time/not american
Steve Blake - *shrug*
Ricky Rubio - hasn't played in the NBA, not american
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Buddinger is a steal for the second round. Scored over 20 pts last couple of games. He is one of those white guys who can jump out the gym.
 
I'm a HUGE Jimmer fan and have one of the worst curses I can ever imagine......I'm a non-mormon BYU.....for life. That said, Jimmer wont be much more than Eddie House in the NBA, IMO. I think He can come off the bench and spread the floor and get some spacing inside for the bigs to work. He can get his shot in the NBA, IMO, but his handle isn't that tight and will kill any penetration he'd hope to get.

On defense I think a lot of it has to do with Rose trying to save him for the offensive end but even when he's needed to help on D in critical moments he's still nothing to write home about. Maybe if he's not carrying such a huge load (quote and comment in 5...4...3...) on the offensive end in the league he can improve there but not likely.

Like I said, I love the kid but if I'm an NBA GM I see him as nothing more than a nice piece on a bench to give no more than 15 +/- mins to at the height of his career. The kid wins so he'd be a nice piece for a contending team as a pure shooter but wont ever be a star or even a starter.
 
Bodhi said:
I'm a HUGE Jimmer fan and have one of the worst curses I can ever imagine......I'm a non-mormon BYU.....for life.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, you are witnessing the rarest of defects. This affliction defies scientific explanation. Can you explain yourself Bodhi? What could your attraction to that oddest of all universities possibly be?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Ladies and Gentlemen, you are witnessing the rarest of defects. This affliction defies scientific explanation. Can you explain yourself Bodhi? What could your attraction to that oddest of all universities possibly be?
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I bet it has something to do with his giant nads.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Ladies and Gentlemen, you are witnessing the rarest of defects. This affliction defies scientific explanation. Can you explain yourself Bodhi? What could your attraction to that oddest of all universities possibly be?
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My pops, who was 73 when he passed away a few years ago, moved from Cali to Provo (no, I didn't grow up there) when he was a wee lad......back in those days there was no ESPN, so you liked the team that was 3 blocks from your place. It stuck with him and the ******* raised me with the affliction (not the bedazzled shirts).

We had our football season tickets revoked because my pops would take smoke breaks every twenty minutes by the bathrooms and the other people didn't like our language. There are sooo many things I cant stand about the school (missions!) but I'm a die hard no matter how pasty my guys are. Will be for life. The Jazz are a similar curse.
 
There will be some teams that will look back and wish they picked Jimmer instead of whatever stiff they ended up picking.
That being said, we don't need a PG and should be looking at other players.
A second pick on the other hand, if he's available would be nice.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He's a mulatto (a mixture of races), like Mike Bibby, Jason Kidd, and Deron Williams. Did you know people can breed interracially? Welcome to the 16th century.
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Thanks, I get that. So how does this impact the whole, "don't draft a white guy" debate? Should it be "don't draft a purely (not just seemingly) white guy who is American born and who plays in the backcourt, unless it's the 80s and they wear short shorts like John Stockton and Mark Price" debate?
 
Catchall said:
Thanks, I get that. So how does this impact the whole, "don't draft a white guy" debate? Should it be "don't draft a purely (not just seemingly) white guy who is American born and who plays in the backcourt, unless it's the 80s and they wear short shorts like John Stockton and Mark Price" debate?
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It means they're not white. Vanilla and chocolate still makes chocolate.

American-born white players are rarely even RELEVANT in the league, that cannot be in dispute. The whys or how politically correct that is, I don't know and I don't particularly care. Even though correlation does not necessarily show cause, it's one hell of a correlation.
 
Catchall said:
Thanks, I get that. So how does this impact the whole, "don't draft a white guy" debate? Should it be "don't draft a purely (not just seemingly) white guy who is American born and who plays in the backcourt, unless it's the 80s and they wear short shorts like John Stockton and Mark Price" debate?
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It comes down to this: Jimmer's shorts are way too baggy for his genealogy chart.
 
VINYLONE said:
Hell. Bro. I'm latino and I am completely stiff.



This. The chances that Jimmer will pan out to be anything other than some journeyman are pretty slim. Think with your brains and not with your...um...well.




Denied.
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I know he sucks!!!! Cant score worth a lick. Considering we have 1 point guard under contract for next year and lets say we get the 13th-14th pick who do you think will be better there? Perhaps some are going with the notion that since he is an American white guy that he cant play?
 
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