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HighlandHomie said:
Agreed but not because of his ceiling. Tyrus Thomas had a high ceiling but had no clue how to play the game. Embiid already has shown a feel along with immense potential. I'd be shocked if he were around at 4 (assuming his back checks out). If he was and we took him, it would be interesting to see what DL does with Kanter/Gobert - if anything.
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Ok, lets say literal ceiling then. 6'9" 215lbs guy with a high ceiling < 7' 255lbs guy with high ceiling. But I think you know what I meant. TT reaching his full potential is an all-star in a certain era, Embiid reaching his full potential and you're talking super-star/HOF'r.
 
Maybe we ought to see what Kanter can do with a new coach before we start talking about trading him. Kanter's motor and offensive potential might trump Favors' defensive upside.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Maybe we ought to see what Kanter can do with a new coach before we start talking about trading him. Kanter's motor and offensive potential might trump Favors' defensive upside.
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Especially with a true 5 in the middle...and a defensive one at that. Both are very raw, but imagine Embiid and Gobert splitting time at center. Gives me a tingly feeling thinking of all those blocks and altered shots.

I don't know why everyone is saying Kanter or Favors would have to be traded. Give Hayward a SUBSTANTIAL raise and the Jazz still have a MAX contract slot under the CAP, even slotting in the draft picks and roster fillers. Give Alec and Kanter contracts and the JAzz are still well under the luxury tax.

The financial concerns only come into play when Favors and Hayward are up for new contracts at the same time as Burke and Gobert and then the next season, our pick(s) in this draft. Jazz will have to make some trades at that point (or let contracts expire). But until then, the Jazz can keep everyone. They wouldn't have room to go out and sign a lot of FA's...only 1-2 near the vet minimum. But they wouldn't need to. They'd have their bigs, get at least another wing or PG in the draft and then probably add another veteran wing on a short-term deal.
 
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If we get Embiid. I'd trade him for a vet with 3 years Max left in the league. -Tyrone Corbin

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I am not wild about Favors and I don't really understand why anyone would be. It seems like this narrative that he's this incredible athlete (10% of the time) and defensive player has taken precedence over how he actually plays. And he is extremely inconsistent in both intensity and production. And at this point, he's had every opportunity to ascend and be The Jazz's guy in his 4 years here, including being the guy that got the extension.

In contrast, I feel like the only consistent opportunities Kanter's gotten are him getting screwed by someone or something (NCAA/Fenerbahce, logjam his first two years, serious shoulder injury that took his offseason, and then whatever happened this year). He's been apt to boneheaded plays but I don't think he's as dumb as he looks at times. I think his getting screwed has affected his psyche and that's what you see sometimes. I think the only remedy is time on the floor and a good coach would be helpful. I also am a disciple that he can be a stretch big with a punishing inside game (which I believe would make him the only one) and thus a matchup nightmare if paired with an athletic and very able defender and also a monolithic offensive player.
 
I think Kanter at PF is a better pairing with Embiid than Favors. Kanter is quicker, shoots better, spaces the floor better and passes better. With Embiid and Gobert behind him, and with something to play for, I doubt people will complain much about his defense. I like Favors, but he's limited offensively to just a couple spots on the floor. Plus, I think he would net more in a trade.

Favors could get us another pick in the Top 6--e.g., Aaron Gordon. Finding a backup PF to play behind Kanter would be pretty easy. Burke/Burks/Gordon/Kanter/Embiid -- has solid offense, defense and rebounding

That said, I don't think the Jazz need to be in a hurry to trade anyone.
 
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Catchall said:
I think Kanter at PF is a better pairing with Embiid than Favors. Kanter is quicker, shoots better, spaces the floor better and passes better. With Embiid and Gobert behind him, and with something to play for, I doubt people will complain much about his defense. I like Favors, but he's limited offensively to just a couple spots on the floor. Plus, I think he would net more in a trade.

Favors could get us another pick in the Top 6--e.g., Aaron Gordon. Finding a backup PF to play behind Kanter would be pretty easy. Burke/Burks/Gordon/Kanter/Embiid -- has solid offense, defense and rebounding

That said, I don't think the Jazz need to be in a hurry to trade anyone.
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I'm not sure the Jazz trade Favors for anything outside the top 3, I would highly doubt it in fact.
 
Catchall said:
I think Kanter at PF is a better pairing with Embiid than Favors. Kanter is quicker, shoots better, spaces the floor better and passes better. With Embiid and Gobert behind him, and with something to play for, I doubt people will complain much about his defense. I like Favors, but he's limited offensively to just a couple spots on the floor. Plus, I think he would net more in a trade.
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This is true becuase he is far superior than Kanter in the eyes of 98% of the basketball watching world. So why trade him? I see that you are not advocating trading anyone, but the thought process is what I am curious about.
 
Embiid is a PROJECT. Gobert is a PROJECT.
You don't need to trade Favors OR Kanter right now even if the Jazz go with Embiid in the draft. All you have to do is decide NOT to play Marvin at PF. Then you can give Favors and Kanter 30 mins each and divide the rest of the time between Embiid and Gobert.

Why trade low right now? If/when Embiid were to win the battle for the 5, then the Jazz see who best complements him and trade the other. Hopefully both are playing well at that point and bring back some good assets.
 
Out of the top six picks, the Jazz picking 4th is the least likely scenario.

I don't think I'll worry about who the Jazz might pick at 4.
 
Number 4 pick not likely

Vermin said:
4Joel EmbiidUtah Jazz (25 - 57)COLLEGE: KansasHT: 7-0WT: 250POS: C
Odds of winning lottery: 10.4 percent
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For all the discussion around the number 4 pick, it is the second LEAST probable outcome:

37% ... pick 5
18% ... pick 6
12% ... pick 3
11% ... pick 2
10% ... pick 1
9.9% ... pick 4
1.2% ... pick 7

The only way we get the fourth pick is if NOBODY jumps into the top 3 (top 3 goes to Philly, Milwaukee and Orlando in any order) and the odds of that happening are <10%. This has happened only one time in 20 years (1996).
 
silesian said:
For all the discussion around the number 4 pick, it is the second LEAST probable outcome:

37% ... pick 5
18% ... pick 6
12% ... pick 3
11% ... pick 2
10% ... pick 1
9.9% ... pick 4
1.2% ... pick 7
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This is so strange. So basically we have a slightly better chance at winning the lottery vs. getting the #4 pick. That makes no sense.
 
Bodhi said:
I'd be very happy if we got Embiid at 4. He has one of the heighest ceilings of anyone in the draft.
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He has one of the highest ceiling for any one in the league. When your game looks that much like the Dream at times you can be an all-time great.
 
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