Frankie Smokes. Who says No?

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If it's Oni or Frank...I honestly do not care. Oni is probably a better shooter, but Frank is actually a good defender. Was underwhelmed with I saw from Oni on defense last year but his shot did look nice when it went in. Don't know if we have the roster spots for both.

The problem with Oni is that he can't dribble and change directions at the same time. His shooting is also unreliable. He's on the bubble as far as being an NBA player.

There are guys like David Nwaba available who would be an upgrade, but they wouldn't likely be minimum deals.

 

[campaignist]

Yknow, I don't think he'd have to score much, if he can pass and catch. If he can do the kind of things Ronnie Brewer used to do, good defense and decent passing to the perimeter and occasionally Rudy, he wouldn't have to score much except layups. If he can for example, do a few minutes in Royce's role with all the scorers, that's a win

I'm really just thinking about him as a 6-8 minutes a night guy and injury insurance. I don't think he'd overlap with Butler, isn't Butler more of a PG?

 

[infection]

Frank's also listed officially at 6-4. I suspect he decreased from 6-6 to 6-4 at the same time Royce did (when the NBA decided to do official without-shoes measurements). I doubt he's taller than Royce.

Longer (wingspan)? Yes. But I wouldn't trust him to guard "up" the same way Royce can because of his lack of strength.

We don't necessarily need him to guard up. Royce can do that. The problem is, is that we don't have a "Royce" for smaller guys since we got rid of that one guy that we got Clarkson with.

 

[homeytennis]

The problem with Oni is that he can't dribble and change directions at the same time. His shooting is also unreliable. He's on the bubble as far as being an NBA player.

There are guys like David Nwaba available who would be an upgrade, but they wouldn't likely be minimum deals.

Trevon Bluiett is better than Oni. It might be time for the Jazz to cut their losses.

 

[jom2003]

The problem with Oni is that he can't dribble and change directions at the same time. His shooting is also unreliable. He's on the bubble as far as being an NBA player.

There are guys like David Nwaba available who would be an upgrade, but they wouldn't likely be minimum deals.

David Nwaba's been on min deals for his entire NBA career. Good chance that the trend continues this summer. Even if it doesn't, there are like 10 other guys who could be signed as Oni's upgrade.

 

[idiot]

Yeah but he's better at offense than Miye

If he is it's by the thinnest of margins. I'll give you that he dribbles better.

 

[jom2003]

Yeah but he's better at offense than Miye

lol. Frank's better at offense than Miye as a point guard. But at 2/3 spot, Miye is better offensively cuz he could at least hit some corner 3's when open. Frank is an offensive liability when he doesn't have the ball in his hand.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The only thing this thread is now missing is @Handlogten's Heros coming in and getting an unexpected Frankie boner.

Any boner I get for Frankie would be earned through deep dives into obscure stats and looking at highlight videos.

He’s fine. I have no hopes of him becoming anything more than a solid perimeter defender with a passable shot.

He’s a good flier on a minimum… I hope JZ is smart enough to get team options on a second year with any fliers we take.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Frank needs to go somewhere he can definitely get 15 minutes a night… I don’t see it here. If I was his agent I’d likely try and get him to the Lakers or a rebuilding team. Even if he’s improved I’d have him behind Butler, JC, Donovan, Mike, Joe on the depth chart. He might be able to sneak the 8-10 Miye minutes in but he’s not big enough to soak up the Niang minutes like Miye is.

If we make a trade we might open up an opportunity for him. Like say we move JC. He could slide into a role along Joe, Jared, and he would theoretically be a fit with Mike or Donovan.

 

[whatthe]

I try to imagine how a wing defender would fair against top talent. I think Frank would fair well against most except players who could post him up. I think that he would work well in the Jazz system and his familiarity with Gobert is a huge plus.. ... But can he throw the lob pass?

 

[LoPo]

yes, but is Frank skilled enough to play the 2 or 3? Like hitting corner 3's and baseline cutters? Oni could at least hit a few open 3's from time to time. A guy who doesn't offer you anything offensively would basically end his Jazz career the same way Shaq did.

If we didn't draft Butler, I do believe Frank would do a better job at the point than Shaq. But now that Butler is here, I just don't see how Quin could fit Frank into the lineup.

Frank is further along on offense and defense than Royce was when he was the same age. I have no doubts that he could carve out a great role here.

He's going to need a little time to learn our system and regain confidence. But we have playing time for him especially if we load manage Conley more and lose Niang.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Not a Frankie Boner but here is how you get me on board. We trade JC to Indiana (lamb and Brogdon look to be on the move… holiday already gone) they send lamb (expiring) to Cleveland and we get Nance. Frank fits in that scenario but it assumes Butler will be a contributor this year. I think he will be but I got a raging Butler Boner.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I try to imagine how a wing defender would fair against top talent. I think Frank would fair well against most except players who could post him up. I think that he would work well in the Jazz system and his familiarity with Gobert is a huge plus.. ... But can he throw the lob pass?

If he comes in this year he does his best Miye Oni impression. Sit in the corner on offense and defend your *** off. Get out in transition maybe.

If he thinks of himself as a point guard I’m out. He needs to be a 3 and D wing who can dribble a little if need be.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Winslow is more interesting to me than Frank if we are talking minimum flier guys. If either is willing to come on a minimum I’m fine with it. I think Frank should look for greener pastures… but he might not have a ton of suitors.

 

[jom2003]

Not a Frankie Boner but here is how you get me on board. We trade JC to Indiana (lamb and Brogdon look to be on the move… holiday already gone) they send lamb (expiring) to Cleveland and we get Nance. Frank fits in that scenario but it assumes Butler will be a contributor this year. I think he will be but I got a raging Butler Boner.

We should move JC only if Butler pans out even better than we expected. If Butler averages like, let's say, 10ppg on 45%/35%/80% shooting his rookie season. Both JC and Conley could be used as trade pieces.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

The reason you get Frank N is because Conley has missed about a third of the season and you need someone that can step in temporarily and cover

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[LoPo]

Sign Frank early and maybe he can help convince Batum to sign with us.

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[NUMBERICA]

Royce is def stronger/thicker.

I would say for what he lacks in size vs Royce, he makes up for it with actual better defense

Certainly against guards. We had dick for an answer when a guard started going off.

 

[NUMBERICA]

We don't necessarily need him to guard up. Royce can do that. The problem is, is that we don't have a "Royce" for smaller guys since we got rid of that one guy that we got Clarkson with.

Who could never play and had a knack for catastrophic errors on the floor.

 

[jom2003]

Frank is further along on offense and defense than Royce was when he was the same age. I have no doubts that he could carve out a great role here.

He's going to need a little time to learn our system and regain confidence. But we have playing time for him especially if we load manage Conley more and lose Niang.

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Frank is far more talented than Oni, Shaq and Royce. He doesn't get picked 8th overall in the draft for no reason. But talent doesn't necessarily translate to real skills which is the case here for Frank.

Thanks to Knicks four years of "relentlessness", Frank now is a tweener who doesn't have a NBA position and whichever team sign him this summer will have a tough decision to make. Either let him handle the ball and run the offense in the risk of a train wreck like we've seen with Shaq, or try to develop his three point shooting in the hopes of converting him into a wing. It's a high risk/high reward project but we simply don't have the time or space for it right now.