Free Agent Rumors Thread

[cowhide]

He blew in LeBron's ear. So what? He had a pretty good series, and his coach had him guard LeBron, rather than use Paul George, a player widely considered a top-5 perimeter defender.

1. The Jazz rarely have the opportunity to sign quality/talented free agents at a discount price. The Jazz lack talent, Lance has talent and may be available at a decent (movable) price. If this team is ever going to truly contend again, they'll have to take some risks. I think this is the sort of risk they should be taking.

2. Here's the list of non-point guards who played 1000+ minutes and averaged at least 0.4 assists for every field goal attempt this past season:

Joakim Noah
Nic Batum
Tyreke Evans
Lance Stephenson
Josh McRoberts
Manu Ginobili
Andre Iguodala
Gerald Wallace
Nick Collison

Dude's not a chucker. Even on an offensively challenged team, he was fairly selective.

It was more than just blowing in the guys ear. He has gotten in fights with teammates and done other things. Once a knucklehead always a knucklehead. He doesn't chuck all the time but there were several times where he just started going one on one completely ignoring his teammates.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Alright I'm good... clearly this isn't a place where you can have a differing opinion than the herd. When we match Hayward's deal this place is gonna suck anyway... Peace.

A town down. Chill homies. Was just giving yaz a hard time

 

[cowhide]

GH is not a max player and I would vote to not sign him for max money. However, given our current situation and even the next few years if we do match a max offer it really doesn't hamstring us. This is different than what we did with AK because the new CBA makes this more reasonable. Be interesting to see what Cleveland really does and then what we are willing to do.

It is not just about the cap space. IT is about setting a precedent with other players. How many of the other guys are going to say I put up numbers better or equal or just under Hayward why isn't my offer better/closer to his? It is about roster flexibility. It is about smart business. So do you pay $40,000 for a 25,000 dollar car because you like it more while there are other options out there that get the same performance but cost you less? I know it is easy to spend the Miller's money but you don't just spend money to spend money. It is not responsible business. MAX money should be for Lebron/Kobe/MJ type players. NOT Gordon Hayward.

 

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Bill Belichick would take Lance on a good deal. Just sayin'.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Bill Belichick would take Lance on a good deal. Just sayin'.

In fairness, Bill B is one of the best ever and has been a HC for 20 years. He also has amazing veteran leadership on his team. This young Jazz team and their rookie HC, may not do well with that level of headcase on the team. Make no mistake, as good as Lance is, dude is a top 3 headcase in the Nba.

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[Twin Towers]

It is not just about the cap space. IT is about setting a precedent with other players. How many of the other guys are going to say I put up numbers better or equal or just under Hayward why isn't my offer better/closer to his? It is about roster flexibility. It is about smart business. So do you pay $40,000 for a 25,000 dollar car because you like it more while there are other options out there that get the same performance but cost you less? I know it is easy to spend the Miller's money but you don't just spend money to spend money. It is not responsible business. MAX money should be for Lebron/Kobe/MJ type players. NOT Gordon Hayward.

Max money is for...........
Eric Gordon
Rudy Gay
Carlos Boozer
Rashard Lewis
Gilbert Arenas
Joe Johnson
Amare Stoudemire

 

[cowhide]

Max money is for...........
Eric Gordon
Rudy Gay
Carlos Boozer
Rashard Lewis
Gilbert Arenas
Joe Johnson
Amare Stoudemire

Thanks for making my point, Everyone of those teams regretted give those guys max money. The only one who deserved it was Amare and that is only if they had given it to before he got hurt. They gave it to him AFTER. You can't stop stupid.

 

[cowhide]

Bill Belichick would take Lance on a good deal. Just sayin'.

Bill B. also signed Aaron Hernandez. So no matter how good a coach you are some guys are just not worth the trouble. FYI - no saying Lance is as bad as Aaron.

 

[Twin Towers]

Thanks for making my point, Everyone of those teams regretted give those guys max money. The only one who deserved it was Amare and that is only if they had given it to before he got hurt. They gave it to him AFTER. You can't stop stupid.

Ya Amare might of deserved it but the Suns knew his injury history and knew he wasn't worth it.

Your welcome But ya I don't understand how people can defend spending that much money on Hayward. Somehow it doesn't effect the team............

 

[GVC]

It was more than just blowing in the guys ear. He has gotten in fights with teammates and done other things. Once a knucklehead always a knucklehead. He doesn't chuck all the time but there were several times where he just started going one on one completely ignoring his teammates.

Dude used a low number of possessions on his team, and the possessions he used frequently ended in an assist. Dude is anything but a chucker. Seriously.

I can understand why people don't want Lance because of his attitude, but the dude continued to compete when his team was struggling. I'd rather take on that risk at ~$10mm than sign Gordo for $13mm+. The team needs some physicality/competitiveness, even if it comes with a little crazy. Throw Quin into the fire.

 

[GVC]

Bill B. also signed Aaron Hernandez. So no matter how good a coach you are some guys are just not worth the trouble. FYI - no saying Lance is as bad as Aaron.

Hernandez was totally worth the trouble. Youngest active player in the NFL as a rookie, Pro Bowler that helped lead the team to the Super Bowl in his second season, productive when healthy in his third season (Pats in AFC Championship game). Lance probably isn't going to kill anyone.

 

[fishonjazz]

Max money is for...........
Eric Gordon
Rudy Gay
Carlos Boozer
Rashard Lewis
Gilbert Arenas
Joe Johnson
Amare Stoudemire

Mistakes.

We should learn from the mistakes imo

 

[jjscap]

Looks like Melo is heading to Houston. In my opinion, the Rockets cannot possibly keep Parsons if this happens unless they try something crazy. Last year he was paid only $900k, because cheap Morey elected not to sign him to a contract he much deserved. Parson asked for a raise multiple times, but got rejected each time. He really needs money. Something the Jazz can provide with the cap space available?

I'd say he is an upgrade over Hayward. Extremely smart team player with great passing and rebounding. He can do it all actually. Can be a great #2 or #3 guy.

 

[GVC]

Looks like Melo is heading to Houston. In my opinion, the Rockets cannot possibly keep Parsons if this happens unless they try something crazy.

Parsons cap hold is only $1.8mm. The Rockets can clear the space for Melo, sign Melo, and then sign Parsons for any amount up to the max, regardless of how far above the cap it takes them. Parsons is only leaving if he signs an offer sheet before the Rockets figure out how to clear space and sign someone else.

 

[jjscap]

Thanks for clearing up the salary cap thing. I also wanted to say Parsons may decline the Rockets' offer. It's the same salary-cap-wise if the Rockets match the offer he agreed to?

 

[GVC]

I also wanted to say Parsons may decline the Rockets' offer. It's the same salary-cap-wise if the Rockets match the offer he agreed to?

He's a restricted free agent, so the Rockets can match any offer sheet he signs with another team. Parsons has no say in the matter. The Rockets can also just sign him themselves for any amount up to the max. Before he signs an offer sheet or new contract, he counts about $1.8mm against Houston's cap.

 

[The Midnight]

He's a restricted free agent, so the Rockets can match any offer sheet he signs with another team. Parsons has no say in the matter. The Rockets can also just sign him themselves for any amount up to the max. Before he signs an offer sheet or new contract, he counts about $1.8mm against Houston's cap.

Yeah OK - but there are luxury tax implications aren't there? Aren't they already tied up with Harden and Howard? With Mello and Parsons signed to MAX or near MAX, I can imagine luxury tax would hit them pretty hard over the next 2-3 years.

 

[Stifle Tower]

He's a restricted free agent, so the Rockets can match any offer sheet he signs with another team. Parsons has no say in the matter. The Rockets can also just sign him themselves for any amount up to the max. Before he signs an offer sheet or new contract, he counts about $1.8mm against Houston's cap.

Houston also said they have a deal in place to unload Lin if 'Melo signs. I don't think they're over the tax with Howard, 'Melo and Harden as their big three and then Parsons for $10M. They've already dumped Asik. After Lin, everyone else is cheap. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the deal to dump Lin is with Utah. We're the only team with cap space that isnt really looking to use it. Oh, take that back...Philly might be the team.

 

[GVC]

Yeah OK - but there are luxury tax implications aren't there? Aren't they already tied up with Harden and Howard? With Mello and Parsons signed to MAX or near MAX, I can imagine luxury tax would hit them pretty hard over the next 2-3 years.

and? They'd obviously only do this if they're willing to pay the tax.

With Miami falling apart and San Antonio getting old (for the past 7 seasons...), Houston becomes a real contender.

 

[The Midnight]

Houston also said they have a deal in place to unload Lin if 'Melo signs. I don't think they're over the tax with Howard, 'Melo and Harden as their big three and then Parsons for $10M. They've already dumped Asik. After Lin, everyone else is cheap. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the deal to dump Lin is with Utah. We're the only team with cap space that isnt really looking to use it. Oh, take that back...Philly might be the team.

That's a big payroll already - don't forget Miami was able to attract a lot of players wanting to play for cheap to get the rings.



HOU aren't guaranteed a ring yet as long as Spurs are still there not to mention a healthy OKC in the West and surging young teams like POR and GSW - so don't think they can fill up their bench with quality vets cheaply just yet.