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Game 19: Jazz @ Lakers (Free Money on the Lakers Covering) 8:30

You should read this post you submitted, look yourself in the mirror and then you’ll be looking at the person you described here.

you should take your head out of something you have no clue about. this creep, Tak, has been harassing me for months and months because I'm a fan of Derrick Favors. Yes, you heard that correctly. My crime is being a fan of and vouching for Derrick Favors. This TAK character has repeatedly said nothing but outrageous and derogatory insults at me and frankly i'm sick and tired of it. On the contrary, I nailed his situation down to the T and that's why he is now completely silent.

TAK is very aggressive, very nasty and hot tempered, can't have a civilized conversation without insulting. Pretentious. Kinda like you, popeye
 
We have to be the worst three point shooting team in the league.
Jazz rank 10th in 3pt attempts and 27th in 3pt %

Interestingly (but unrelated?), Jazz rank 29th in ft% and 2nd in ft attempts.

Quin is putting them in a place to succeed not sure why they cant shoot even when they arent being gaurded.

Something seems askew. My uninformed guess is that the players miss Igor, but Phx is in bottom 1/3 of 3pt%.

Maybe team needs a new nutritionist ?
 
Actually, both Gobert and Favors have a very limited offensive skill set, IMO. Gobert lacks touch and, unless is dunking, has some difficult finishing -- despite his size! Also, since his, let's say, "moves" are very very simple, he seems to get stripped quite often when the Jazz, to exploit a mismatch, try feed him in the post oftem. The good news are that he is an average-to-good passer (for a 5), plays with intensity and doesn't force things up. Favors, on the other hand, has been around forever and still have a very limited offensive repertoire. His "moves" inside are also very simple and predictable -- although not as much as Gobert's. Through the years, he has developed what I would call "a good touch" (at least for a 4 or 5) from mid-range, but that doesn't really put pressure on defense since he doesn't seem to be able neither to expand his range to beyond the 3 point line nor to fake the shot and drive to the basket -- as, for instance, Malone could do even at the twilight of his career. So, Favors can only dunk by being fed near the basket or take long 2s, a shot that all the defenses hope opponents take. Also, he seems somewhat lackadaisical offensively. The moral is: both of them are problematic and to have them on court simultaneously ends up cramping the offense unless the other three players absolutelly could not be left alone.

I also have some doubts about how much Favors and Gobert practice their individual offensive skills, since they seem to be learning those at a very slow rate. It is one thing to improve slowly when you are already good at something, but both of them are quite raw, quite basic. It's disheartening!

But they're not in the same category, Favors is superior to gobert offensively. favors can hit the open 3 and jump shot. And of course he can't do what malone does, it's a completely different game these days!! how many 3's do the jazz shoot now, like 45 per game? 40? He gets no touches to show off his offensive skill and obviously you're not gonna get better when you dont get touches and only play 20 minutes per game! the other day it was insulting, snyder was playing that new rookie guy over Favors! WHAT?!! that's not only dumb but insulting to Favors!! he needs to be playing at least 32 mins to really get in the game and shine! that's why he lackadiscal like you said because you can't get in a groove when you play in 4 minute spurts. look at his stats, always solid and consistent despite his limited playing time and touches.
 
I’m in that eff it just get a lottery pick mode already... only took 19 games to get there... FYI I’m not tank the eff out of this B mode... but the losses don’t bother me as much it’s just not fun to get worked up about this team right now. Love the guys but it just ain’t working.
You said how i feel. A bunch of guys i want to see succeed but it isnt working.
 
Jazz rank 10th in 3pt attempts and 27th in 3pt %

Interestingly (but unrelated?), Jazz rank 29th in ft% and 2nd in ft attempts.

Quin is putting them in a place to succeed not sure why they cant shoot even when they arent being gaurded.

Something seems askew. My uninformed guess is that the players miss Igor, but Phx is in bottom 1/3 of 3pt%.

Maybe team needs a new nutritionist ?

My theory is that the team moves the most side to side on defense AND on offense. They are fatigued and don't have the legs for shots.
 
difference is memphis has

conley who is about 10 lightyears above rubio/exum and they also have gasol who isn't rudy on defense, but he has an offensive game that is about 20 lightyears ahead of rudy.
Sure on Conley. False on Gasol.

The Memphis offense is only 1 point better than Utah's, and that's with Utah putting on one of the worst 3pt shooting cold-streaks in recent NBA history.

It's all the defense. Conley is certainly better than Rubio on that end, but that isn't why Memphis is #3 and Utah is #14.
 
you should take your head out of something you have no clue about. this creep, Tak, has been harassing me for months and months because I'm a fan of Derrick Favors. Yes, you heard that correctly. My crime is being a fan of and vouching for Derrick Favors. This TAK character has repeatedly said nothing but outrageous and derogatory insults at me and frankly i'm sick and tired of it. On the contrary, I nailed his situation down to the T and that's why he is now completely silent.

TAK is very aggressive, very nasty and hot tempered, can't have a civilized conversation without insulting. Pretentious. Kinda like you, popeye
Yeah I agree, it’s the Internet, it happens. I’ve seen worse on twitter. Ignore it, and move on.

PS- I love D-Favs, but bothering to reply to stupid **** with posts like you posted is no better.
 
My theory is that the team moves the most on defense AND on offense. They are fatigued.

Hadn't thought of that. I remember Hayward led the league in miles run his last jazz season. I havent heard about it since.

I wonder if they are mentally fatigued. Quin runs detailed practices demands attention to details. It migt have them over thinking, second guessing or just plain mentally worn out.
 
Yeah I agree, it’s the Internet, it happens. I’ve seen worse on twitter. Ignore it, and move on.

PS- I love D-Favs, but bothering to reply to stupid **** with posts like you posted is no better.

You're absolutely right. ANd I hate going there. i let him get the best of me. I will do better next time. Thanks Popeyes
 
Here's a terrifying stat for you all

December last year which was the Jazz' worst month of the season with Gobert out for the majority of it and the team being garbage as a whole outside of Mitchell flashes they had a net ratings of -5.5. (side note they were a +2.9 in November last year when Gobert also missed some time).

November this year with everyone more or less healthy, so far the Jazz have a net rating of -8.0

Here's a slightly more positive stat for you all; The Jazz have had the 2nd toughest Stength of Schedule in the league so far at .560, just behind Milwaukee at .561. The expected win/loss for the Jazz is 7-11 so we're basically right on schedule.

Basically the Jazz have had a tough as **** schedule which has played a significant role in how garbage the team has been, but at the same time the team is quite clearly performing worse then they did at any point during last season. I fully expect a bounce back but I'm not sure the Jazz have enough to make it in the West this year with how tough a lot of the other teams look, how good some of the trash teams last year are looking, and how well some of the other good teams that have struggled have rebounded.

edit: I'll also add that if there aren't any significant moves made by the trade deadline that this team is a pretender and not a contender in the West this year if they were to make it.
 
Hadn't thought of that. I remember Hayward led the league in miles run his last jazz season. I havent heard about it since.

I wonder if they are mentally fatigued. Quin runs detailed practices demands attention to details. It migt have them over thinking, second guessing or just plain mentally worn out.

This is a GREAT post. We look slow af physically and mentally. Rudy has zero bounce. I mean zero, never seen him so slow to get up to challenge a shot. And the inexperienced guys looked confused. I don’t hold hope for any real improvement until we’re thru this road game hell
 
This is a GREAT post. We look slow af physically and mentally. Rudy has zero bounce. I mean zero, never seen him so slow to get up to challenge a shot. And the inexperienced guys looked confused. I don’t hold hope for any real improvement until we’re thru this road game hell
Good, me neither, cause I don’t think the improvements close and things are gonna get worse before they get better.
 
We know what Ricky is now. I’d like them to throw Exum in the deep end and start him for 20 games and see what he has. Can’t be any worse. If he shows something great if not move on. I don’t think he’s gonna work out in this system that requires decision making, he needs to go play for a crap team that runs simple stuff

Don't agree with the low IQ stuff, I just think the game is still coming at Exum really fast, he needs extended minutes and freedom to explore his game to allow the game to slow down for him.
 
Don't agree with the low IQ stuff, I just think the game is still coming at Exum really fast, he needs extended minutes and freedom to explore his game to allow the game to slow down for him.

Mate you know that’s never gonna happen in this win-now environment. In hindsight I think his ACL robbed of that opportunity which is pretty sad
 
Mate you know that’s never gonna happen in this win-now environment. In hindsight I think his ACL robbed of that opportunity which is pretty sad
I don't expect it to but I won't expect Dante to play well until it does.

Quin played the PG position and I think he likes guys with the same traits he had as a player which is understandable for a coach, I just don't think he and Exum connect at all.

Someone mentioned in a previous thread that Many and Tony would drive Pop crazy but Pop had learn to let it go and get over it, I think this is true for Quin also.
 
I don't expect it to but I won't expect Dante to play well until it does.

Quin played the PG position and I think he likes guys with the same traits he had as a player which is understandable for a coach, I just don't think he and Exum connect at all.

I think they have a good relationship, it’s just been ****** timing. He still has time but he may not get the chance here. He might, who knows. It’s just painful to watch him think so much, I think he can do a lot more than he’s showing but he becomes a mess mentally way too easily
 
I don't expect it to but I won't expect Dante to play well until it does.

Quin played the PG position and I think he likes guys with the same traits he had as a player which is understandable for a coach, I just don't think he and Exum connect at all.

Someone mentioned in a previous thread that Many and Tony would drive Pop crazy but Pop had learn to let it go and get over it, I think this is true for Quin also.

Exum has no basketball skills. That is the issue.
 
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