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Game #31. Jazz at Memphis. Monday 6pm mtn

fishonjazz said:
So Alec had been playing really good lately (averaging 17 points per game on the road trip, with good shooting percentages and playing team ball)....... What is his reward?

16 minutes against memphis because he had 2 turnovers...... How about letting the guy who has been arguably the best player on the team lately play through it a little when struggling.

Meanwhile, jefferson 36 minutes..... SMD
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only veterans get to play through
 
The Thriller said:
And he should.

Any of us would be doing thee exact same.

Why suck so bad that your coaching opportunities are shattered? Why tank so the new head coach can have Jabari?
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it is pathetic that he is trying to win every single game yet notp putting this team in a best position to win now and in the 2nd half of the season

CORBIN can suck a candy cane
 
DutchJazzer said:
it is pathetic that he is trying to win every single game yet notp putting this team in a best position to win now and in the 2nd half of the season

CORBIN can suck a candy cane
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Corbin's job isn't to do what's best for the franchise but what's best for himself.

Hence, why he should have been fired last year and we should be tanking.

This franchise is owned by idiots.

Our draft this summer should be all about 3 players: Randle, Wiggins, and Parker. Nothing more.

Because we are screwing up this tank, our summer will be crazy. And probably pretty disappointing as we fail to draft or sign a real star.
 
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nateboz said:
I don't really care much about wins this year. The Jazz need to find out if Kanter is good or not. He needs minutes with Burke AND Favors. I don't understand why Ty doesn't play them together at all.
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How much more time do you need to figure this out? Catch up, granny.
 
The message should have been clear to Ty last summer when we didn't resign Millsap. The organization wants to develop the youth on the team. DL even said on a radio interview that Ty will be judged on how he develops the youth and improves the team defensively. According to what DL said, Ty is GONE after this season.
 
GVC said:
Player development == all players under the age of 25 playing 30 minutes together every game without exception.

duh.
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This.
Good to see gvc finally figuring it out
 
sojodave said:
The message should have been clear to Ty last summer when we didn't resign Millsap. The organization wants to develop the youth on the team. DL even said on a radio interview that Ty will be judged on how he develops the youth and improves the team defensively. According to what DL said, Ty is GONE after this season.
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Even more of a reason for Ty Corbin to win this year.

He only hurts his coaching opportunities by assisting the tank. By winning now, he becomes an attractive coach for teams looking for a new coach this summer.
 
nateboz said:
The Jazz need to find out if Kanter is good or not. He needs minutes with Burke AND Favors. I don't understand why Ty doesn't play them together at all.
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Because Kanter playing with Burke and/or Favors has been an unmitigated disaster this season. The numbers (per48 scores & +/-):


Kanter with neither Burke nor Favors: 305 MP, -13.69 (89.55-103.24)

Kanter with Favors (Burke on bench): 309 MP, -21.13 (84.19-105.32)

Kanter with Burke (Favors on bench): 127 MP, -21.92 (89.20-111.12)

Kanter with Burke AND Favors: 55 MP, -19.2 (89.89-109.09)


Burke with Favors (Kanter on bench): 335 MP, +4.16 (99.58-95.43)


Maybe Corbin believes it best for development to put young players in a position to succeed as much as possible. Maybe Enes's skills/play don't mesh well with Favors or Burke. Maybe Enes isn't that good, and Corbin wants Favors and Trey to better learn to play together.
 
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I'm sorry but no one had played extra well with Lucas or even Garrett.
Kanter is coming off a pretty serious injury and the way he's being used is killing every bit of confidence in him.
A good coach would get the most out of someone. Not the opposite.
In my opinion Enes has been playing the wrong position all year. They are trying to turn him into a perimeter player. He is a strong guy and they don't seem to know how to use that to his advantage. Teach him 2 solid post moves and let him use it.
Enough with the worthless hope he turns into Memo Okur.

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nateboz said:
I'm sorry but no one had played extra well with Lucas or even Garrett.
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What? When Enes has been on the court with Trey (with or without Favors), the team has played terribly. The team has performed better when Enes plays with neither of those two (which implies he's playing with Lucas or Garrett...).

nateboz said:
Kanter is coming off a pretty serious injury and the way he's being used is killing every bit of confidence in him.
A good coach would get the most out of someone. Not the opposite.
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So getting destroyed playing big minutes with Favors and Trey is better for his confidence? What does playing with someone who doesn't yet grasp the basics of team play (Enes) do for Trey's and Favors' development? Does that matter?

nateboz said:
In my opinion Enes has been playing the wrong position all year. They are trying to turn him into a perimeter player. He is a strong guy and they don't seem to know how to use that to his advantage. Teach him 2 solid post moves and let him use it.
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So, if I understand correctly, Corbin should go away from what's been working, and instead play Kanter heavy minutes with Trey and Favors, dumping the ball into the post so Enes can score inefficiently and create nothing for his teammates? This is your recipe for developing the young talent? Yikes.

Enes isn't being given the ball in the post that much because he makes poor reads, turns the ball over a ton, and isn't scoring efficiently. He'll likely get more responsibility, minutes and touches when he does a decent job using the responsibility, minutes and touches he's being given now.
 
Call me crazy but I'd rather put Kanter out there and live with the results than secure a handsome little 3 year deal for Marvin Williams on another team next year (see Randy Foye).

If at the end of the season it's still not working then you can trade Kanter or least provide yourself with better direction come draft day.
 

How can you explain that Kanter was the most efficient player offensively after BIG-AL-JEFFERSON on this team ?

Its not a thing about playing against starters or bench players, Kanter atleast played solid offense against starting five players and now he is struggling coming of the bench.
 
candrew said:
Call me crazy but I'd rather put Kanter out there and live with the results than secure a handsome little 3 year deal for Marvin Williams on another team next year (see Randy Foye).

If at the end of the season it's still not working then you can trade Kanter or least provide yourself with better direction come draft day.
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This is what they should be doing. If I were DL, I'd trade Marvin Williams and Richard Jefferson ASAP for whatever he can get for them. Then I'd instruct Ty to put Kanter, Favors, Hayward, Burks and Burke out there to start every game unless one of them is banged up. After that, he can play JL3, Evans, Garrett, Biedrins, Gobert and Rush however much he wants to. Live with the results of this strategy for good or bad.
 
Ellis269 said:
This is what they should be doing. If I were DL, I'd trade Marvin Williams and Richard Jefferson ASAP for whatever he can get for them. Then I'd instruct Ty to put Kanter, Favors, Hayward, Burks and Burke out there to start every game unless one of them is banged up. After that, he can play JL3, Evans, Garrett, Biedrins, Gobert and Rush however much he wants to. Live with the results of this strategy for good or bad.
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This.

That is what i thought they should have been doing since game 1 (though obviously burke was injured at the beginning)

I was shocked and pissed when i found that corbin was going with jefferson to start instead of burks..... and now that marvin is starting over kanter im twice as pissed.
 
I'm a huge fan of the way Corbin develops raw players. He probably has one of the better, if not best, feels for what every one of his players needs to grow and develop. The amount of PT he's giving Burks and Kanter (and even Trey) this year is perfect. He's letting them work through failures but not putting them out there so long that they become overwhelmed and regress.
 
franklin said:
I'm a huge fan of the way Corbin develops raw players. He probably has one of the better, if not best, feels for what every one of his players needs to grow and develop. The amount of PT he's giving Burks and Kanter (and even Trey) this year is perfect. He's letting them work through failures but not putting them out there so long that they become overwhelmed and regress.
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I can't tell if this is a joke or not. Corbin is terrible with raw, young players. He plays vets over them without rhyme or reason. Nearly every single one if them (outside of Burke) has regressed under his watch. As far as I'm concerned, this whole season is a lost cause. After the year is done I hope that Corbin and most of his staff are gone (I like Brad Jones and Alex Jensen) and the only players I want back are Kanter, Favors, Hayward, Burks, Burke, Gobert, Evans, Garrett, Neto and maybe Clark. Everyone else can go and be replaced by new draft picks. Give me a new coach and some key acquisitions and this team will make a big jump up next year. Won't happen if they don't play together and build chemistry this year, and that's not what Corbin has been doing.
 
franklin said:
I'm a huge fan of the way Corbin develops raw players. He probably has one of the better, if not best, feels for what every one of his players needs to grow and develop. The amount of PT he's giving Burks and Kanter (and even Trey) this year is perfect. He's letting them work through failures but not putting them out there so long that they become overwhelmed and regress.
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This memphis game was the perfect example........ burks was playing pretty well and then had a couple of turnovers and suddenly corbin forgot that burks has been arguably the best player on the team for like the last 10 games, so corbin yanked him out
Final tally for the memphis game...... burks 16 minutes. Jefferson 36 minutes. Jazz lose.
Way to let burks work through failures after he has been pretty damn good for a big chunk of games.
 
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