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Game Thread: Utah Jazz Vs. Phoenix Suns April 4th @ 7:00 PM

Brown Notes said:
If that was true Favors would have been beasting all over Lopez, which he did not. Gortat is 10X the center Robin is.
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Did you miss Al's defense tonight? Maybe his worst performance all year. And Favors went for 8, 9 and 2 in 15 minutes, without having plays run for him. It's hard to score when you don't have the ball.
 
GVC said:
Did you miss Al's defense tonight? Maybe his worst performance all year. And Favors went for 8, 9 and 2 in 15 minutes, without having plays run for him.
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I agree Al had a poor game. But if Favors can't beat Robin he won't be effective vs Gortat. Better against PnR obviously but then again the Suns didn't hit shots late in the 4th till Nash's two clutch ones.

It's frustrating and Al wasn't good but it is not a clear and obvious conclusion that Favors would have won the game for us. If Favors had been owning all over the place playing against Robin or even if he just forced Gortat back on the court I'd be with you.
 
Brown Notes said:
I agree Al had a poor game. But if Favors can't beat Robin he won't be effective vs Gortat. Better against PnR obviously but then again the Suns didn't hit shots late in the 4th till Nash's two clutch ones.

It's frustrating and Al wasn't good but it is not a clear and obvious conclusion that Favors would have won the game for us. If Favors had been owning all over the place playing against Robin or even if he just forced Gortat back on the court I'd be with you.
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So Favors has to be dominant to deserve more than 15 minutes, but Al can **** the bed all game and deserve 37? Foolish.

What more could Favors have done with the opportunities he was given? Again, you can't score without the ball in your hands. With all that said, his defense alone makes up for any offensive shortcomings (and Al was nothing special on O tonight). He was clearly (CLEARLY) the better option tonight, and Ty gave Al more minutes than usual. Hard to understand.
 
My point is he couldn't outplay Robin Lopez at the 5. If he's in there against Gortat he probably gets bullied under the basket and commits fouls. JMO. Jefferson sucks almost all the time vs PnR but he can at least keep these huge dudes out from under the rim. Pick your poison.

Now, Gortat also did a really great job denying AJ the ball in the 4th. So to me it's kind of a wash. Maybe Favors could have won us the game closing, but I don't think it's cut and dry obvious as you are making it out to be. A big reason Favors didn't have big minutes was Sap's huge game. Maybe going big was the answer, but I don't know if that works with Favors out covering a 3pt shooter.
 
He couldn't force Gortat back on the court. Robin had a good game too. I suppose you were in the bathroom for all those blocks, boards and FTs. I don't know how much you watch the great Robin Lopez but I would personally not expect this good a game from him especially playing against talent like Kanter and Favors.

Yes, I would expect Favors to dominate Lopez. Since he didn't I do not expect he would have done better vs Gortat.
 
Brown notes... Just stop... You're digging a deeper hole...

Jefferson's defense tonight was Boozerisk... It was... mind... Bogglingly... Horrible...

However, this entire team's energy level and intensity was missing. Anyone catch the two games on ESPN tonight? They had playoff physicality, energy, and intensity. Both games had techs, players getting into each others faces, hard fouls, and emotion.

Tonight's game looked like an exhibition for the most part. In fact, I haven't seen this Jazz team play with much intensity SINCE that 4 OT loss to Atlanta.

Of course, that's just my opinion.... But I think this team is either:

A. Running out of gas. Their lack of consistent PG and wing play is taking its toll.
B. Mentally weak. Tonight, they needed to come out like bats out of hell. They showed up in tuxedos.

You never can outscore Nash and his Suns... The only way you beat the Suns, is to beat the hell out of them.
 
Missed this game, sucks we lost but watching the replay now and Hayward is a joy to watch. Imagine this guy in his prime, scary.
 
Brown Notes said:
He couldn't force Gortat back on the court. Robin had a good game too. I suppose you were in the bathroom for all those blocks, boards and FTs. I don't know how much you watch the great Robin Lopez but I would personally not expect this good a game from him especially playing against talent like Kanter and Favors.

Yes, I would expect Favors to dominate Lopez. Since he didn't I do not expect he would have done better vs Gortat.
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You realize Favors was only matched up against Lopez for a grand total of 2:22, right? Lopez was 0-1 with a foul over that period.

The rest of the game Lopez was matched up against Kanter and (gasp) Al. One each of his O-boards came matched up against Kanter and Al. The 3 shooting fouls he drew were called on Kanter, Burks and CJ. Only 1 of his blocks was on Derrick.

And this is ignoring how irrelevant the point you're making is. Al didn't outplay Steve Nash. He didn't outplay Michael Redd either. Most importantly, he didn't outplay Derrick Favors.

Do you really think the Jazz's chances at winning that game would have been lower had Favors been given 5-10 of Al's minutes?
 
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GVC said:
Did you miss Al's defense tonight? Maybe his worst performance all year. And Favors went for 8, 9 and 2 in 15 minutes, without having plays run for him. It's hard to score when you don't have the ball.
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And it's hard to get a double-double when you only play 15 mins.
 
The Thriller said:
Brown notes... Just stop... You're digging a deeper hole...

Jefferson's defense tonight was Boozerisk... It was... mind... Bogglingly... Horrible...

However, this entire team's energy level and intensity was missing. Anyone catch the two games on ESPN tonight? They had playoff physicality, energy, and intensity. Both games had techs, players getting into each others faces, hard fouls, and emotion.

Tonight's game looked like an exhibition for the most part. In fact, I haven't seen this Jazz team play with much intensity SINCE that 4 OT loss to Atlanta.

Of course, that's just my opinion.... But I think this team is either:

A. Running out of gas. Their lack of consistent PG and wing play is taking its toll.
B. Mentally weak. Tonight, they needed to come out like bats out of hell. They showed up in tuxedos.

You never can outscore Nash and his Suns... The only way you beat the Suns, is to beat the hell out of them.
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This is a good post.

This team is so close to being a real competitor. Even if the team misses the POs this experience over April is almost the same thing. Not really, but close. Tonight Utah had 2 players that knew what kind of game this was and what it would take to win it, Hayward and Sap. Nobody else on the court tonight had that kind of experience. Hayward played in that champ game as a major factor and gets it. Sap's been there and was on the conference finals team. The other guys don't quit but also don't really understand that next level of competitiveness and that includes Jefferson.


This is why I said if Harris and Howard were playing Utah wins. Those guys want it.
 
GVC said:
You realize Favors was only matched up against Lopez for a grand total of 2:22, right? Lopez was 0-1 with a foul over that period.

The rest of the game he was matched up against Kanter and (gasp) Al. One each of his O-boards came matched up against Kanter and Al. The 3 shooting fouls he drew were called on Kanter, Burks and CJ. Only 1 of his blocks was on Derrick.

And this is ignoring how irrelevant the point you're making is. Al didn't outplay Steve Nash. He didn't outplay Michael Redd either. Most importantly, he didn't outplay Derrick Favors.

Do you really think the Jazz's chances at winning that game would have been lower had Favors been given 5-10 of Al's minutes?
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Mea Culpa if all your claims are true.

I didn't have the stomach to watch the game twice. I saw Favors beasting all over Morris and some other guy but not Lopez. I remember specifically the Bench being particularly ineffective. If your point is for me to admit to Jefferson had a bad game then scroll up.

Anyways you can't say Nash was just ****ting all over the Jazz with Al's terrible D in crunch time. Which is why said your claim is subjective. Certainly I have not made the claim that Jefferson was obviously superior to anyone in this game.

My point was never that Al was the clear and obvious choice, just that Favors was not either. What kept him off the floor was Sap, not Al.
 
Nate505 said:
3 points from the bench in the second half tonight. 3 ****ing points.
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This, the Suns bench out played the Utah bench, Morris & Redd out played the entire Utah bench to make it worse Telfair played better then anyone not named Favors off the Jazz bench.

That lucky Frye bank 3pt shot and just a few plays earlier the almost air ball 3pt shot that fell right in Dudley's hands absolutely killed the Jazz they finally played good D and the ball didn't bounce their way. Now if they'd played D like that most of the game it wouldn't have mattered.

Starters again starting the 1st Qtr slow and then tonight even came out slow in the 3rd Qtr maybe they are running out of gas and hard to really be upset with Kanter given his limited experience and being a rookie. However this would be a prime time to step up and take some more minutes but he got pushed under the rim or just gave in to the other player, for easy scores or even the one thing he usually does well rebound he was couldn't due to being under the rim.
 
Also on the first Nash jumper when he spit the double, Millsap somewhat had an excuse as he had Frye he was also shading to his left but again Hayward (as he did in the T-Wolves game) over commited/extended and that let Nash split for the FT line'ish jumper.
Millsap had a really good game but don't forget he also had back to back TO's in the 4th Qtr around the 2-3min range.

Not saying those cost us the game just saying there is plenty of blame to go around, besides just Jefferson's absolute horrible P&R defense (Millsap's in the 1st Qtr wasn't much better). For the young players like Hayward hopefully this is just another learning/stepping point to build upon for the future.
 
i think most of us know that brown notes says alot of stupid things and is usually always wrong, but GVC totally kicked his butt tonight.

GO GVC!
 
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