Game Tread for game nr. 14 vs Timberwolves, Monday, November 13th, 7pm.

[Ron Mexico]

I still believe in this team. Ingles and Rubio shooting that bad won't lead to wins. Many Jazz players are shooting well below their career averages on more open shots than average. That won't last. There are some concerns but this team can still get going. Hopefully it's not before too late but they will get rolling this season. Even if for some odd reason they don't Jazz have enough talent that they will retool around the keepers on our roster.

 

[elan_prodigy]

Dante had a short leash for a reason, he had little in the way of offensive skills, moves, or ability.

Lol. How would we know he was benched for every mistake, you know, the tried and tested way to get the best out of a kid...

We've seen Dante play a few confident and "free" qtrs in his career.

Even looking at his weaknesses he still offers more than Rubio. Both terrible 3pt shooters, struggle to finish at the rim but at least Exum can get in the paint and draw fouls. He also looks after the ball a hell of a lot better than Rubio.

Oh and theres the whole chemisty with Gobert thing...

 

[Siro]

I still believe in this team. Ingles an Rubio shooting that bad won't lead to wins. Many Jazz players are shooting well below their career averages on more open shots than average. That won't last. There are some concerns but this team can still get going. Hopefully it's not before too late but they will get rolling this season. Even if for some odd reason they don't Jazz have enough talent and got they are built will retool around the keepers on our roster.

smh

We have 2 keepers. Maybe three.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Here are the "highlights":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQePZQeEtzE

 

[Ron Mexico]

smh

We have 2 keepers. Maybe three.

Maybe, we will find out. Even so 2 are too good to tank with. Only way to tank is to trade Gobert and suck for the next 5 years and get lucky.

Statistics leads me to believe this team will improved, unless a handful of players just suddenly can't shoot open shots.

 

[Jack Strop]

smh

We have 2 keepers. Maybe three.

Yep.
Need to continue to lose to get a lottery pick. Try to offload whatever players Utah can - and I'd only consider Mitchell and Gobert "untouchable" for now.

Lindsey needs to come away with two starters via the draft, free agency and/or trade. If he can't, that will put Utah into another rebuild - or a hopeless cycle of trying to compete for the 8th seed. And then the unthinkable may happen in 4 years with Rudy.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I think I’m on board for a tank, f

 

[Nate505]

I've never seen a worse shooter than Rubio in my life. It's stunning to see at times how many bricks he throws up. He is god awful without way more talent than the Jazz possess.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lol. How would we know he was benched for every mistake, you know, the tried and tested way to get the best out of a kid...

We've seen Dante play a few confident and "free" qtrs in his career.

Even looking at his weaknesses he still offers more than Rubio. Both terrible 3pt shooters, struggle to finish at the rim but at least Exum can get in the paint and draw fouls. He also looks after the ball a hell of a lot better than Rubio.

Oh and theres the whole chemisty with Gobert thing...

Dante went entire month stretches without getting to the FT line in his rookie year. The dude was way in over his head offensively his rookie year. Donovan is miles and miles ahead. To act like his struggles where mainly due to lack of confidence from coaching staff is utterly ridiculous.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

still believe in dante


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He really can't be much worse than Rubio was the last 2 games.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I've never seen a worse shooter than Rubio in my life. It's stunning to see at times how many bricks he throws up. He is god awful without way more talent than the Jazz possess.

The T'wolves were just turning their back on him and walking away when he had an open shot.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He really can't be much worse than Rubio was the last 2 games.

Neto>Rubio right now.

 

[Ron Mexico]

The T'wolves were just turning their back on him and walking away when he had an open shot.

Its not just Rubio they are doing that to. Our team is 2nd in the NBA at most wide open shots and we are shooting the 2nd worst percentage at them.

At Wide open shots:
Rubio is shooting 38% ~ about the same as last year
Hood is shooting 31% vs 46% last year
Mitchell is shooting 38%
Sefelosha is shooting 19% vs 36% last year
Favors is shooting 25% vs 50% last year
JJ is shooting 14% vs 44% last year

Most of our players are shooting much much worse on wide open jump shots. We just need to start hitting those wide open shots as a team. Rubio either needs to start hitting them better, stop taking them and just drive in, or he he needs to be benched more. I really like Rubio but we cant have him just jacking shots from 3.

10% more of our shots per game are wide open shots and we are shooting them much worse and some of the biggest culprits are players we still have. There is no excuse not to hit wide open shots at a decent clip and those players should hit them at the same percentage as last year or their career averages. I believe this shooting percentage will come up as a team.

 

[Rubashov]

it's ok, Daniel Andrews will pay for counselling for your traumatic experience if you watch it lol

I'd rather the ******* gave me a raise and some extra holiday leave.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Mitchell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FqDrZAAhgs

 

[Jack Strop]

Its not just Rubio they are doing that to. Our team is 2nd in the NBA at most wide open shots and we are shooting the 2nd worst percentage at them.

At Wide open shots:
Rubio is shooting 38% ~ about the same as last year
Hood is shooting 31% vs 46% last year
Mitchell is shooting 38%
Sefelosha is shooting 19% vs 36% last year
Favors is shooting 25% vs 50% last year
JJ is shooting 14% vs 44% last year

Most of our players are shooting much much worse on wide open jump shots. We just need to start hitting those wide open shots as a team. Rubio either needs to start hitting them better, stop taking them and just drive in, or he he needs to be benched more. I really like Rubio but we cant have him just jacking shots from 3.

10% more of our shots per game are wide open shots and we are shooting them much worse and some of the biggest culprits are players we still have. There is no excuse not to hit wide open shots at a decent clip and those players should hit them at the same percentage as last year or their career averages. I believe this shooting percentage will come up as a team.

Very good points re: percentages. I believe the culprit is "tight sphincter syndrome." Last year, Hayward and Hill were the "go-to guys" (and JJ to a lesser extent in the regular season). There was little pressure on everyone else. They all got a handful of shots per game, but generally if they scored 5 or 15 points, it wasn't going to have a huge effect on W's and L's. Now Hood, Favs, Rubio and the new guys all feel the need to be #1 and #2 scorers since the team is offensively challenged. They're being asked to assume roles which are unnatural and add a ton of pressure,. So it's natural their sphincters tighten up and they just can't shoot as well in game-time situations as they do in practice.

 

[stitches]

Rubio's complete inability to create advantage in a system that relies on creating small advantages and pushing and pressing them until an open shot materializes is killing this team. The system and the personnel are horrible fit for Rubio's strengths and weaknesses.

We need Rubio to make the defender to follow him over a screen, which Rubio cannot do, and he needs to make the big step up to cut off penetration to the rim... which Rubio cannot do, or he needs to punish the small for going under, which he cannot do, or he needs to punish the big for not stepping up using the space he's given going to the rim, which Rubio cannot do...

He's also not great one on one player so he can't create advantage going 1-on-1. I'm beginning to wonder if Rubio fits any modern day system really. Just... defenses are way too smart nowadays. The combination of lack of shooting and lack of finishing at the rim is really a damning one for a modern day PG. This is why I thought Exum was on his way to steal Rubio's job during the season... had he stayed healthy(based on what he was doing in pre-season). I think he can at least punish opponents at the rim and he can attack and create advantage with his speed. Rubio can't do any of those things and the team is suffering because of it.

I wonder if they are going to try starting Mitchell-Hood-Ingles-Sefolosha-Favors at some point? We need a ton of offense creation with that starting lineup and we are not getting any from Rubio.

 

[LoPo]

It is very unfortunate we traded for Rubio AND kept Ingles for a guy in Hayward many of us knew would leave. On top of that, we added three limited role players in Udoh, Jerekbo and Thabo when we could have added a starter in Jonathan Simmons.

Poor decisions lead to poor results.

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[GVC]

Dante was 3yrs younger than Mitchell is now

Dante was less than 2 years younger. He was 19 his rookie year.

 

[GVC]

Even looking at his weaknesses he still offers more than Rubio. Both terrible 3pt shooters, struggle to finish at the rim but at least Exum can get in the paint and draw fouls. He also looks after the ball a hell of a lot better than Rubio.

Ricky's career free throw rate is .450 (.384 this season); Dante's career free throw rate is

The turnover rate of the two is similar, but Ricky's assist rate is 2.5x as high as Dante's.