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George Hill coming to Utah

LoPo said:
This whole trade will be evaluated in almost exactly 12 months. Here the questions:
1. Did we have a good season and solid playoff performance?
2. Did we show that we were good enough to convince Hayward to stay?
3. Do we want to keep Hill?
4. Does Hill want to stay at an affordable contract?
5. Who ends up being #12 and how good does he end up being?

If the first 4 questions are positive, then this trade works out great. If the 5th question yields an answer that might make us cringe (such as #12 looks like a really good player), then a positive answer on the first four questions should ease our minds some. If we get negative answers on any of the first four, we got to hope like hell that #12 is a terrible player. If not, Lindsey will be roasted for this deal.

Rarely is a trade made where the evaluation can be made so quickly.
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Who says we would chose the guy who went #12? This is simplistic reasoning at best. This trade can be evaluated now, the team got the guy they wanted for a pick not likely to be better than him. I call this a smart trade. Whether it works out or not is yet to be determined but the basis and idea for the trade looks solid to me.
 
Batman said:
Teague is "way" better than Hill? Please *face palm.* shaking my dreads. Had you said better, I think you can argue that but way better is not an intelligent comment. Your better than that.


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Do you know who might know if Teague is WAAAAYYYYYY better than George Hill? Quinn Snyder who freaking coached Teague in Atlanta. Does anyone on this board think they have a better handle on the Teague vs. Hill situation than Quinn Snyder? Do you think that Quinn Snyder was left out of the loop when this decision was made? I would suspect that Snyder made this call because Jazz probably could have had Teague if they wanted him, probably even last season at the deadline. It appears that they wanted Hill.
 
mdalby said:
How many PGs averaged 12 pts/3 Assts/40% 3 Pt%?

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The part where you said PGs and 3 Assts was funny.
 
Locke always been a fan of his, already delving into the stats

George Hill with Monta Ellis on the floor shot 42.7% and 40% from 3. With Ellis on the bench Hill shot 47% and 43% from 3
 
Crazy that trading for someone as competent as George Hill can be considered a risky move, but it is.

We've been in the process of building this team for six years. After six years of not seriously competing, we make our first win-now move.

It would be nice if we had acquired at least one true build-around-me player in those six years, but we didn't, so it looks like this is the group we finally decided to roll with.

Our best players will be in their seventh seasons. Whatever they accomplish this year will probably be within 5 wins of their peak, which is why it's risky. What if our top-ten simple rating again fails to translate to wins? What if it turns out we're just not good enough?

Hayward will sign with one of the like 28 teams with max cap space, Hill will too, and our inevitable next rebuild will be a #3 (from Boston) and a #12 behind where it could have been.

I don't hate it. I respect Lindsey for finally playing his hand, but it's 50 wins or bust. That's why it's risky, and that's why I'll be tuning in next season.
 
Here's Pelton's grades for the trade:

https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/ins...s-utah-jazz-trade-george-hill-jeff-teague-nba

Utah Jazz: B-plus

From a skills standpoint, Hill has long been an obvious fit for the Jazz, who were also linked to Teague before the trade deadline. Because Utah wings Gordon Hayward and Rodney Hood are effective with the ball in their hands, the Jazz are best off with a point guard who can space the floor. Hill fills that role; he can also run the offense and has the size to fit in well with Utah's defensive scheme.

At 30, Hill is probably a little older than Utah would prefer, but he can help bridge the gap to Dante Exum if the Australian point guard returns successfully from the torn ACL that sidelined him last season. Because of their size and skills, Hill and Exum can comfortably play together in the backcourt.

Since the Jazz have ample cap room, adding Hill's salary isn't really an issue (they'll still have nearly $17 million left when this deal is completed in July). And Utah has enough youth on the roster that another prospect wasn't necessarily a big need. The Jazz are ready to start winning now, and Hill increases their 2016-17 potential.

In fact, I think this move solidifies Utah as one of the five best teams in the Western Conference next season.

Like Teague, Hill is also entering the final season of his contract, and the one concern here is that the Jazz's payroll could escalate quickly in 2017-18, when Rudy Gobert is up for a new deal and Hayward can opt to become a free agent.

It's possible that a renegotiation and extension could help Utah, too. The Jazz probably won't be able to spend all of their cap space this season, and paying Hill now could keep his contract more reasonable in 2017-18 and beyond if he wants to stay in Utah.
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Pacers get C, Atlanta gets B-.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Locke always been a fan of his, already delving into the stats

George Hill with Monta Ellis on the floor shot 42.7% and 40% from 3. With Ellis on the bench Hill shot 47% and 43% from 3
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Hill has had 1 decent shooting season from three. ONE! I guarantee his percentage drops next season.
Plus who wants a point guard that cannot assist?
 
stitches said:
BTW for everybody who will feel compelled to **** on that deal in the future because we missed on player X(almost certainly there will be a player in the 12-60 range who will end up high end starter and even an all-star), I want you to tell us right here and right now who that player is. I don't want you to play with the field against George Hill. Either state right now your pick, or don't dare bring it up when player X blows up.
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The jazz are the ones who make the pick. I don't know who they would pick.
The field it is.
 
green said:
Eh. Hayward hasn't led a team anywhere. Teague has. You can call me clueless all you want, but reality is reality.
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I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "led". It's the second time you've argued that incorrectly. Teague was a part of a team that did some things, he was not the leader, he was not the main reason they did some things. He was a part of something that went well.
 
colton said:
Actually, since players miss on average about 10% of the games (if I recall correctly), the correct number to use is about 52 mins total at each position. Not 48 mins, as weird as that seems.
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I put right in my post that this is regarding a single game in which it's a close game and everyone is healthy.

What is your breakdown?
 
gregbroncs said:
Who says we would chose the guy who went #12? This is simplistic reasoning at best. This trade can be evaluated now, the team got the guy they wanted for a pick not likely to be better than him. I call this a smart trade. Whether it works out or not is yet to be determined but the basis and idea for the trade looks solid to me.
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I'm not calling it a bad trade. It is impossible to evaluate the trade right now unless you want to speculate like pundits. True evaluation can only come after results not projections. Nothing is guaranteed - Hill could decide to retire next week and we would definitely lose in the trade.

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NUMBERICA said:
They like Hill more than Teague. Sorry this is so hard for you.
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I think he agrees with this. I think he is saying that the reason the jazz like hill more is cause he be cheaper.
 
LoPo said:
I'm not calling it a bad trade. It is impossible to evaluate the trade right now unless you want to speculate like pundits. True evaluation can only come after results not projections. Nothing is guaranteed - Hill could decide to retire next week and we would definitely lose in the trade.

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Ok
 
NUMBERICA said:
But that's it, they chose him over Teague.
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Possibly. And possibly teague made the choice for the jazz by not wanting to come here and letting the jazz know it so the jazz found a way to get hill instead knowing that atl wanted teague to leave. They found a third team.
That's a possibility too.
 
Boris said:
OMG we just traded the n12 pick for another point guard who cannot create an cannot shoot the three? Gimme a break what is DL doing? I swear to God he is a mole of the Spurs.
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He shot 40% from three last year. You clearly know nothing about the guy and just want to be mad.

How do so may idiots manage to converge in one place?
 
Although #12 for a 30 year old PG with 1 year left on his contract may be an overpayment, I understand & like this move. For awhile now, I've felt that we needed to either add veterans & attempt to win now or trade our players nearing the end of their contracts (Hayward/Favors) & continue to rebuild.

George Hill absolutely makes sense for this team (more so than Teague IMO). He's a good defender & 3pt shooter capable of playing either guard position. Although #12 is a bit much to give up for him, realistically we weren't going to get better production from a rookie in what will undoubtedly be a defining season for this franchise.

Adding Hill not only gives us a veteran at a position of need, but it takes a lot of pressure off of Dante Exum as well. This trade also gives us a very solid rotation with Hill/Exum, Hayward/Hood/Burks, & Favors/Gobert/Lyles (not to mention Mack, Neto, Ingles, Whithey, etc) That is a deep, flexible, defensive oriented team that compliments eachother well. I expect us to compete for the 4/5 seed & have a very good chance at advancing to the 2nd round (assuming we stay moderately healthy *knock on wood*).

While it's always fun to dream on the potential of a lottery pick, veteran leadership, defensive ability, & 3 pt shooting out of the PG position is much more valuable to our current roster than additional potential would have been (which we have plenty of). We had come to a fork in the road & it was time for management to pick a direction, I'm just glad they made a definitive decision. Welcome to Utah, George Hill. Go Jazz!
 
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