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Get the crows out for the korver haters

jom2003 said:
There should be a fine gap between paying too much and not paying anything at all. you probably wouldn't see anyone complaining if it was Niang or Allen that we sent over to Cleveland.
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Actually I'd be a lot more pissed off if it was Allen, I have more hope for him than Burks. And Burks was not coming back next year.
 
Bulletproof said:
He can redeem himself.

Here's how:

Jazz are in the finals. Korver is currently sitting with a finals record of best 3pt% for anyone ever, but by only one shot. Jazz are 2pts down with 15s to go, Korver gets the ball for a corner 3... and takes the shot.

That's it. I don't care if it goes in or not. I'll forgive him.
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For me he needs to be directly the reason we win a chip
Nate505 said:
I like Burks, but 4-11 is pretty awful. He did get to the line 8 times which does negate some of that.

Still, Korver's line was much more impressive IMO.
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Burks also had 6 boards 4 assists 2 steals, and was their top bench performer, unfortunately he plays for the worst team in the league. Korver did next to nothing other then using the only skill he has.
Bawse Dawg said:
Korver had more overall impact on a game for us tonight than Burks has all season.
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Hey idiot. Vs the kings Burks had 13 points on 4-7 shooting 3-3 from three. 3 rebounds 4 assists in 18 minutes.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
For me he needs to be directly the reason we win a chip

Burks also had 6 boards 4 assists 2 steals, and was their top bench performer, unfortunately he plays for the worst team in the league. Korver did next to nothing other then using the only skill he has.


Hey idiot. Vs the kings Burks had 13 points on 4-7 shooting 3-3 from three. 3 rebounds 4 assists in 18 minutes.
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Cool.

He didn’t space the floor for other players while doing it though.
 
infection said:
The most notable three I remember Korver passing up was in the playoffs against the Lakers his first year, I believe it was coming down to a final shot, he had an open three on the right wing but passed it off to Memo closer to the corner who missed the three.
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Yeah I remember that as well. If I recall he caught Memo by surprise, to Memo's credit he tried to hit the shot.

Here's the thing that bothered me. Korver was in rhythm, had an open shot that would have tied the game, or given us the lead, and he passed it up for a worse shot by Memo. I want him to take the shots the offense generates, period.

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I love how a few posters on here all of a sudden are holding Burks up to be the next Jordan. Everyone, and I mean everyone has been clamoring to trade him for at least 2-3 seasons. Now that we do it he's the next coming? Serious delusion on here sometimes.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Cool.

He didn’t space the floor for other players while doing it though.
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That isn't all matters. Good shooters provide spacing which helps teammates.
Guys who draw fouls cause the opposing coach to change their rotations and gets the jazz into the bonus which gets free throws for teammates.

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DasJazz said:
I love how a few posters on here all of a sudden are holding Burks up to be the next Jordan. Everyone, and I mean everyone has been clamoring to trade him for at least 2-3 seasons. Now that we do it he's the next coming? Serious delusion on here sometimes.
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Wrong on both of your statements.

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Shad said:
Burks killing it tonight. Half way through the third with a grand total of 0 points
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You meant 8 minutes played and zero points.
I wonder if korver has ever played an eight minute stretch if basketball without scoring.

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Imagine the offense with Korver and if Ricky decides to go Rick Curry again.
 
fishonjazz said:
You meant 8 minutes played and zero points.
I wonder if korver has ever played an eight minute stretch if basketball without scoring.

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Burks finished with the highest +/- on the team by far tonight (+7)
Last night he was second. I don't think the Cavs want to win though.


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Let's get our facts straight about what happened with Korver during the 09-10 season. During 07-08, Korver took 6.3 threes per 36 minutes and hit .388. The next season, he took only 5.1 threes per 36 minutes and hit .386 -- so he was already being more, let's say, "conservative". Korver had the option to become a free agent during the summer, but opted-in for another season with the Jazz -- for only 5.1 million, a bargain. Probably, at that point, Korver knew there was something wrong with his left knee, so it would not make sense for him try and sign a new contract in the open market. He actually had a bone spur and had surgery to remove it a day before the start of the 09-10 regular season. Because of this, his first game was the Jazz 24th, on december, 14th. He started very slowly and barely played in december (only 5 games, 9 minutes per game). In january, though, he got "hot" and took 5.8 threes per 36 minutes and hit an incredible .643. In february, though, he became more "conservative" with his shot: 4.2 three-point attempts per 36 minutes, while hitting .560. He became even a little more "conservative" in march: 3.9 three-point attempts per 36 minutes, while hitting .500. Korver took 6 threes in the last game of march and hit 3 of them. At that point, if the season just ended, he would have the new three-point field goal percentage for a regular season. There were still 6 games left, though, and Korver struggled mightly. I think he was nervous. He took only 3.3 three-point attempts per 36 minutes, while hitting "only" .364. He was struggling so much that his overall FG% was .313 -- for those last 6 games. Nevertheless, in the antepenultimate game of the season, Korver took 7 threes in 34 minutes, hitting 3 of them. A solid display! In the last two games of the season, though, he played a combined 41 minutes and TOOK ONLY ONE three-point shot, missing it. He finished the season with a .536 3pFG%, above Steve Kerr's .524, a new record. Three more misses would have kept Kerr's record. The Jazz lost the last game of the season, at home, against the Suns. Thus, the Suns finished with a 54-28 record, and the 3th seed in the West, while the Jazz finished 53-29 and the 5th seed. Naturally, people blamed Korver. The Jazz ended up beating the fourth-seeded Nuggets in 6 games -- Korver took 4.2 three-point shots per 36 minutes, while hitting .375. The Jazz were swept by the Lakers in the next round, and Korver took 3.4 threes per 36 minutes, hitting .714.

What can we make of all these? First of all, Korver was more "conservative" than usual during the whole season -- I think that was the reason he was in a position of challenging for the record in the first place. It was clear, though, that as the season progressed he would be taking less and less three-point shots, culminating in only one attempt in the last two games. Was he JUST protecting his record? Probably not during the whole season, but certainly during the last two games of the regular season. Actually, I think that by the beggining of march he got tired. At that point, he had a sequence of 6 games without either a steal or a block. Of course those are not his forté, but steals and blocks usually demand energy and the fact that he was not getting them probably should indicate his tiredness. Tired, Korver thought it would not be possible for him to keep his percentages at a level that would garantee the record, so he shot less. Since he was tired, though, shooting less was also a normal reaction. Was he wrong? At the very end of the regular season I think so, because he was not doing his job anymore.
 
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I still hate that the Jazz gave up two 2nds for Korver, but the Mitchell/Korver/Ingles/Crowder/Gobert or Favors lineups is just as dominant as I was expecting which is huge for the Jazz. Hope they get more minutes together when Rubio/Neto/Exum are having bad games.
 
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