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Get the crows out for the korver haters

DasJazz said:
How so? People have wanted Burks gone for a very, very long time. To deny that is ignorant at best (Not saying you are, just a general statement about the subject).
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I think the same people supporting Burks now have been supporting Burks over the last few seasons. I don't think all of the sudden there's tons of extra Burks support.
 
ghsartin said:
Let's get our facts straight about what happened with Korver during the 09-10 season. During 07-08, Korver took 6.3 threes per 36 minutes and hit .388. The next season, he took only 5.1 threes per 36 minutes and hit .386 -- so he was already being more, let's say, "conservative". Korver had the option to become a free agent during the summer, but opted-in for another season with the Jazz -- for only 5.1 million, a bargain. Probably, at that point, Korver knew there was something wrong with his left knee, so it would not make sense for him try and sign a new contract in the open market. He actually had a bone spur and had surgery to remove it a day before the start of the 09-10 regular season. Because of this, his first game was the Jazz 24th, on december, 14th. He started very slowly and barely played in december (only 5 games, 9 minutes per game). In january, though, he got "hot" and took 5.8 threes per 36 minutes and hit an incredible .643. In february, though, he became more "conservative" with his shot: 4.2 three-point attempts per 36 minutes, while hitting .560. He became even a little more "conservative" in march: 3.9 three-point attempts per 36 minutes, while hitting .500. Korver took 6 threes in the last game of march and hit 3 of them. At that point, if the season just ended, he would have the new three-point field goal percentage for a regular season. There were still 6 games left, though, and Korver struggled mightly. I think he was nervous. He took only 3.3 three-point attempts per 36 minutes, while hitting "only" .364. He was struggling so much that his overall FG% was .313 -- for those last 6 games. Nevertheless, in the antepenultimate game of the season, Korver took 7 threes in 34 minutes, hitting 3 of them. A solid display! In the last two games of the season, though, he played a combined 41 minutes and TOOK ONLY ONE three-point shot, missing it. He finished the season with a .536 3pFG%, above Steve Kerr's .524, a new record. Three more misses would have kept Kerr's record. The Jazz lost the last game of the season, at home, against the Suns. Thus, the Suns finished with a 54-28 record, and the 3th seed in the West, while the Jazz finished 53-29 and the 5th seed. Naturally, people blamed Korver. The Jazz ended up beating the fourth-seeded Nuggets in 6 games -- Korver took 4.2 three-point shots per 36 minutes, while hitting .375. The Jazz were swept by the Lakers in the next round, and Korver took 3.4 threes per 36 minutes, hitting .714.

What can we make of all these? First of all, Korver was more "conservative" than usual during the whole season -- I think that was the reason he was in a position of challenging for the record in the first place. It was clear, though, that as the season progressed he would be taking less and less three-point shots, culminating in only one attempt in the last two games. Was he JUST protecting his record? Probably not during the whole season, but certainly during the last two games of the regular season. Actually, I think that by the beggining of march he got tired. At that point, he had a sequence of 6 games without either a steal or a block. Of course those are not his forté, but steals and blocks usually demand energy and the fact that he was not getting them probably should indicate his tiredness. Tired, Korver thought it would not be possible for him to keep his percentages at a level that would garantee the record, so he shot less. Since he was tired, though, shooting less was also a normal reaction. Was he wrong? At the very end of the regular season I think so, because he was not doing his job anymore.
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Thank you for the memory refresher. Boozer chose not play in the final game, against the Suns, because of a strained muscle in his rib cage. The loss dropped the Jazz from 3rd seed to 5th. We lost that game by 14 points, so a couple of Korver 3s would not have been enough. Memo and Millsap both got into foul trouble, magnifying the impact of Boozer's absence.
 
Bulletproof said:
I think the same people supporting Burks now have been supporting Burks over the last few seasons. I don't think all of the sudden there's tons of extra Burks support.
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Fair enough. I still stand by the majority here saying they wanted him traded for the past few years though. Even if that wasn't the case, we weren't signing him again so at least we got some immediate help.
 
DasJazz said:
How so? People have wanted Burks gone for a very, very long time. To deny that is ignorant at best (Not saying you are, just a general statement about the subject).
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You said posters are acting like he is Jordan. Wrong.
You said EVERYONE has been wanting him traded for years. Wrong.

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fishonjazz said:
You said posters are acting like he is Jordan. Wrong.
You said EVERYONE has been wanting him traded for years. Wrong.

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Good lord, do I need to really spell out the sentiment of the post for you? Come on fishon, you know what I was saying and you know the general consensus prior to the trade was to move him and it has been that way for a very long time. Once we did, a few on here were acting like he was just the greatest thing since sliced bread and we just lost the greatest player that we had on the roster and that is not, was not, and never will be the case. I don't have any ill will towards Burks, he is talented, but for some to act like this was some sort of death shot for finally moving him is asinine at best.

In any event, I wish Burks great success, he's had a lot of bad luck in his career, but on the same token, I'm excited to have Korver back in the fold as he is a much better fit with his style for our system.
 
DasJazz said:
Good lord, do I need to really spell out the sentiment of the post for you? Come on fishon, you know what I was saying and you know the general consensus prior to the trade was to move him and it has been that way for a very long time. Once we did, a few on here were acting like he was just the greatest thing since sliced bread and we just lost the greatest player that we had on the roster and that is not, was not, and never will be the case. I don't have any ill will towards Burks, he is talented, but for some to act like this was some sort of death shot for finally moving him is asinine at best.

In any event, I wish Burks great success, he's had a lot of bad luck in his career, but on the same token, I'm excited to have Korver back in the fold as he is a much better fit with his style for our system.
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Again, no one is acting like we lost the best player ever or greatest thing since sliced bread or whatever.
This is crap that YOU are saying. No one else is saying this kind of thing. So like I said, you were wrong.

Now what you probably meant was that many jazz fans had wanted Burks traded over the last few years. That would be true. What you actually said was everyone. That's not true, that is wrong.
What you also probably meant was that some people thought Burks was pretty good. That would be true. What you said is that people think he is Jordan or the best ever or the greatest thing since sliced bread. That is wrong.

Try to use less hyperbole/overreaction/dramatics in your posts. Otherwise someone might call you out as being incorrect like I did.

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fishonjazz said:
Again, no one is acting like we lost the best player ever or greatest thing since sliced bread or whatever.
This is crap that YOU are saying. No one else is saying this kind of thing. So like I said, you were wrong.

Now what you probably meant was that many jazz fans had wanted Burks traded over the last few years. That would be true. What you actually said was everyone. That's not true, that is wrong.
What you also probably meant was that some people thought Burks was pretty good. That would be true. What you said is that people think he is Jordan or the best ever or the greatest thing since sliced bread. That is wrong.

Try to use less hyperbole/overreaction/dramatics in your posts. Otherwise someone might call you out as being incorrect like I did.

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Alright bro, you win. Haha.
 
Ehh, it's just a playbook thing right now.

Utah's offense is so dense it's hard to just pick up and play.
 
I think that what these 2 games have taught us is that you probably shouldn't make thread about how people need to eat crow based off a 1 game sample size.
Then again, OP doesn't have the best reputation.

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infection said:
One thing is clear, though, through two games: nobody could have watched those and said “he’s 37” or “he’s an awful defender.”
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Yep. And I think he will be good for this team.

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Douchebag K said:
which side are you on Jack ?
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I'm on record as having said it was a good trade. A step in the right direction, but just a first step. More needs to be done and it has to be a major trade or FA signing. I also think an expiring and two 2nds is a fair price given that multiple teams were interested.
 
Jack Strop said:
I'm on record as having said it was a good trade. A step in the right direction, but just a first step. More needs to be done and it has to be a major trade or FA signing. I also think an expiring and two 2nds is a fair price given that multiple teams were interested.
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The only way this trade helps the jazz is if we hit a 4-6 seed in the playoffs, if we end up a 7-8 seed, that does the jazz no good at all. If we aren’t going to make noise in the playoffs, we might as well pick up a cheap talented player in the draft then add talent in the offseason (Tobias Harris) with all that cap space we have and pair the two with a cheap DM and Gobert as our defensive anchor. There still was no reason to make that ridiculous trade, still makes no sense to me.
 
I honestly think it was probably easier for Korver to step in and shoot well in the first game because he hadn't had much time to think yet. In the 2nd game he's probably been cramming learning the offense and is thinking more about what he's doing out there.
 
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