Carbon13
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Oil companies actually prefer the carbon tax as well. The thinking goes that if carbon credits were to become tradable assets, then really smart people would find ways to find arbitrage in that market place.
Global Warming could be worse than we thought-- paper from Science
Oil companies actually prefer the carbon tax as well. The thinking goes that if carbon credits were to become tradable assets, then really smart people would find ways to find arbitrage in that market place.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I'm not sure how this relates to my post that you quoted, but I agree that people ultimately hurt by carbon taxes are the end consumers.
Joe Bagadonuts
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If global warming really was our biggest problem we would solve it. Scientists have proposed ways to cool the planet that we would implement if it was a matter of life and death. It's not. Global warming is more valuable to the left as a political chip. It is being used to generate enormous tax revenue. It is being used to centralize government. It is being used to increase the size of government. It is being used to transfer power to left leaning political organizations. From their perspective the boogie man of global warming is an absolute godsend. Have you seen the photos of Al Gore's huge "solar powered" houseboat plugged into the dock? Have you seen the amount of CO2 generated by climate conferences? If this stuff really mattered so much to them they would lead by example.
Our inability to get along with our fellow humans is a bigger problem than global warming. Education is a bigger problem. Poverty is a bigger problem. There are lots of bigger problems. The left wants you to believe that these problems are the result of global warming. They're not.
I'm not sure why you say that third world countries feel the brunt of global warming. What I do know is that they have changed the terminology to climate change because the models have never produced the predicted results. You posted an article to begin this thread that said the effects were being underestimated, but if you go back 20 years and look at the predictions you will discover that those were vast overestimates. I will predict one thing for you. The left will continue to embrace the most extreme predictions and tell us that our world is in danger if we don't immediately implement their fixes. They will continue to leave out the fact that no scientific papers indicate that we could make an appreciable difference in global warming by implementing the policies they suggest. I am all for living as green as practical, but not in favor of punishing our citizens and economy for non-compliance.
I'm sure that the reason you think it's inaccurate and damaging to pool the solutions together as "taxes on polluters" is that you and I see this issue completely differently. If the leaders of the global warming movement start taking personal actions to reduce greenhouse gasses (rather than simply telling other people to do it) then I will start listening. Until then I will stand in awe of their hypocrisy as these elites jet in to their next annual global warming conference.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Joe Bagadonuts
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Thanks. Pretty much illustrates what I said. Also, notice that the numbers are a bit dated. I'll bet that if we had accurate numbers today we would see that the Chinese share is rapidly increasing. The one big takeaway is that Canadians are the biggest per capita polluters in the world. Who woulda known? You guys suck.
You are posting a selfish perspective. Would rep if I could.
RJF
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Thanks. Pretty much illustrates what I said. Also, notice that the numbers are a bit dated. I'll bet that if we had accurate numbers today we would see that the Chinese share is rapidly increasing. The one big takeaway is that Canadians are the biggest per capita polluters in the world. Who woulda known? You guys suck.
South Park knows it!
♪alt13
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Those overcrowded trains are an infrastructure issue in a developing country. The Netherlands(1,055/sqmi) is more densely populated than either India(1,014/sqmi) or Pakistan(621/sqmi).
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b_line
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Lol. I forgot to post this here but the other day I had a funny experience re climate change.
I was sitting in church in what is normally an extremely conservative meeting. This old guy who lives next to me started talking about how much god loves us, and used climate change as an example. He has always had a tough time with his apricots growing due to the climate being to cold in our area. He has been praying for years for the Lord to "temper the climate" so he could have apricots before he dies. He was so happy that he is going to have apricots this year.
Climate change is human caused guys, just not the way you think it is! It's because this old dude wanted god to change it.
I was sitting in church in what is normally an extremely conservative meeting. This old guy who lives next to me started talking about how much god loves us, and used climate change as an example. He has always had a tough time with his apricots growing due to the climate being to cold in our area. He has been praying for years for the Lord to "temper the climate" so he could have apricots before he dies. He was so happy that he is going to have apricots this year.
Climate change is human caused guys, just not the way you think it is! It's because this old dude wanted god to change it.
All this time I assumed you eat it.
Those overcrowded trains are an infrastructure issue in a developing country. The Netherlands(1,055/sqmi) is more densely populated than either India(1,014/sqmi) or Pakistan(621/sqmi).
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This is disturbing
yes, Science and Nature are big.
I don't think their track record for leading research matches their reputation. More of a tail wind sort of press. advancing science from the rear.
To be a courageous sort of challenger to the status quo, you practically have to publish the work yourself anymore. Well, you always needed to do that.
Historically, The British Royal Academy of Science publishes more breakthrough science.
In 1996 I hiked up on the mountain and found a tree near a spring that had been cut down. I spent an afternoon counting an measuring tree rings for the past 400 years. The past 100 years was the tightest set of rings, meaning less water or colder or both. My grandpa, at age 100 in 1964, made a big point about the weather changing. Used to be lush grasslands for grazing cattle in some places that are just sagebrush today. Summer monsoon rains dropped off.
The past four years, the summer monsoons are back, and grass is growing in those places again. Between 50000 and 10000 years ago, we had a very wet climate, comparatively, and some huge lakes throughout the Great Basin. Lake Bonneville broke out down the Snake River and dropped 500 feet in elevation, while a flood raged down the Snake.
Most of Earth History has been much higher CO2 atmosphere, and the world didn't end, and we didn't need to market carbon credits or taxes to make the world economically just under a few megatrillionaires who crafted the market to their advantage, or to the advantage of their plans.
In the past million years or so, we have had unprecedented low CO2 atmospheric content, and with it, ice ages. Summer ice melt in the Northern Hemisphere sets up a cycle of salt-mixing currents that create corresponding weather cycles. In the past 10000 years we have been on an interglacial warm, but each preceeding interglacial warm has reached higher temps than we have now, without any so-called anthropogenic effects.
Science and Nature have been caught up in a fashionable scientific trend. Just fifty years ago they were, correctly, invoking the specter of a coming ice age. win some lose some, that's what science is all about, and it usually takes less than a hundred years for any scientific result to become sorta dated, old school.
I've been following the climate research pretty closely lately, and I am impressed with the things we are learning. All this money and attention on weather and climate is actually pretty great.
I just think it will take about ten years for the reality of the new ice age to become vogue science, and I expect the politicians to get right out there in front of that wave with megaideas about how the world needs to respond to that.
warm oceans put water into play, and you would not believe how fast an ice sheet can build up once the snowfall in the Arctic catches up on that trend. Ice Ages all have begun with a short-lived spike in temps.
I am not saying I am a fanatic or anything but I am buying up every scrap of land I can find from Minnesotee up thru Canada Alaska and Santa clauses house. Bros I believe this **** is real and I am going to cash in big time. You know how cheap the land is in arctic tundra? Holy banshees! Pennies on the dollar bros. there is so much of it that all you global warming supporters and deniers should hit me up. What I care if we all get rich together? There is soooooooooooooooooooo much. I will be a billionaire too soon.
Red
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Is not rising sea levels related to climate change? That was my understanding. I don't think Utah has to be concerned about rising sea levels. But I live in the tiniest state in the union. It's located on the Atlantic, and it's getting smaller every year. The state, not the ocean. We have the most beautiful barrier beaches in New England. Our entire south facing Atlantic coast is a series of barrier beaches backed by salt water ponds. People drive for hours from interior Ct. and Ma. to enjoy our barrier beaches in the Summer. We are in the process of losing every single one of those barrier beaches due to the rising waters of the Atlantic. I have seen homes belonging to family members slide into the sea during storms along our south coast.
Don't know what is the most important problem facing humanity. But here in RI, climate change is eating up our real estate, and we're obviously not alone. I don't think liberal agendas are doing this. I think the Atlantic Ocean is doing this, and as a result of climate change. So the impact here certainly makes it a big problem having nothing whatsoever to do with people's political orientations....
https://www.neaq.org/conservation_and_research/climate_change/climate_change_in_new_england.php
https://www.ecori.org/climate-change/2014/11/7/southern-nes-coastal-landscape-is-shrinking
Don't know what is the most important problem facing humanity. But here in RI, climate change is eating up our real estate, and we're obviously not alone. I don't think liberal agendas are doing this. I think the Atlantic Ocean is doing this, and as a result of climate change. So the impact here certainly makes it a big problem having nothing whatsoever to do with people's political orientations....
https://www.neaq.org/conservation_and_research/climate_change/climate_change_in_new_england.php
https://www.ecori.org/climate-change/2014/11/7/southern-nes-coastal-landscape-is-shrinking
Red
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In the first photo, easy to understand why RI's barrier beaches are destined to be reclaimed by a rising Atlantic Ocean. You can see, in the aerial photo on the display board, how narrow that barrier beach is. In second photo, left to right are Atlantic, barrier beach, Trustom Pond. Fortunately, I'm too old to live to see these portions of our Atlantic coast reclaimed by the sea. But happen it will, and I believe as a result of climate change. Not the most devastating result of climate change, to be sure, but it will certainly affect our summer tourist industry in due course. I have read, and am not sure if true, that the disappearance of RI's barrier beaches will be among the earliest major physiographic changes to occur on the east coast of the US as a result of rising sea levels....
(Wish I knew how to make photos full size, instead of click on thumbnails?)
You can likely also see why there are probably worse places to spend a Summer day. I took these photos during the annual Sept. Monarch butterfly migration. We used to see thousands. Now, very, very few....
(Wish I knew how to make photos full size, instead of click on thumbnails?)
You can likely also see why there are probably worse places to spend a Summer day. I took these photos during the annual Sept. Monarch butterfly migration. We used to see thousands. Now, very, very few....
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/china-abandons-one-child-policy
Was a 1 child limit, they raised it to 2.
♪alt13
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If they are images from the internet then unclick the box that says "Retrieve remote file and reference locally"
If they are images that you uploaded from your computer then you need to upload them to a third party site https://imgur.com and then copy the url of the image and post it that way.