GMOs

[Getting Traded]

Whoa, mind blown!

Mind blown, so you think everything science creates is good? If it goes against the natural rhythm of the universe, then you have problems. For example, cloning -- think about its ramifications. It can be used for good or bad. GMOs were created as one poster said to alleviate the world's hunger, but at the same time has caused other problems like a heavy increase in the use of industrial pesticides. I don't see how anyone can say that is good, and when you factor in the ingredient of glyphosate, which even Monsanto executives admit is carcinogenic, you have to wonder if you can trust them and all that comes out about it. Did you know an alleged science writer who was a regular contributor to Forbes recently was fired for submitting an article that was written for him by Monsanto P-R people? Does that sound like someone interested in objective science?

 

[Getting Traded]

EM, you'll also want to avoid contact with dihydrogen monoxide. It kills thousands every year, and even though it is commonly used as an industrial cleaning agent it is perfectly legal to put in our food supply.

Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's good for you -- use some common sense. This argument fails. Legal doesn't mean it's ok. Slavery used to be legal too. And yes, I would avoid it if I knew it was in a product that I might use.

All I am preaching here is that people inform and educate themselves about this issue because the mainstream information on this is controlled by the people who produce GMOs and the products that used in conjunction with it -- and it is those products, not so much the GMOs (though this is debatable) that are the bigger problem.

 

[Gameface]

I can see many of you are the ones who are uneducated about GE products, which is because you are brainwashed about it. Monsanto has a huge P-R that extends into the large trade organizations mentioned like the AMA. No one took notice of the point about the effect on the ecology, which is very important. I saw a film called the "Symphony of the Soil" that discussed the effect on the soil and ecology from GMOs. Apparently, people here don't take stock in the philosophy of using organic products. The basic idea is the reduction of pesticide use. Sure there are natural pesticides in the plant word, like the lectins produced by nightshade plants (tomatoes, peppers, and potatoes), but they aren't the same as industrial pesticides, which are much more toxic and harmful to the ecosystem and the human organism. The increases in cancer and neurological diseases testifies to this. I think people need to keep an open mind on this and not fall prey to those with profit motives. Do GMO products prevent the world from starving; that's been the cliched argument -- well, organic farmers claim it's not necessary and ironically, GMO products may lead to starvation by destroying the earth's top soil needed to grow crops. I'll post the link to the new series to "educate" those of you who they think they know it all about this issue.

You realize JTT is a farmer, right? I'd guess he's familiar with how farming works. But go ahead, educate him with your anti-GMO propaganda.

There is no credible source that says that GMOs are, in and of themselves, harmful. Why don't you put a number on all the people that have to be in on this conspiracy to pull of this lie. It goes far further than Monsanto if we're being misled to the degree your argument requires. It means probably millions of people across all socioeconomic levels with varying interests and political, religious, ecological views are complicit in this lie.

Is it exciting for you to think you have special secret knowledge that "the man" is trying to keep from all us fools? News flash, we all know about the claims that GMOs are harmful. This is not some secret you are exposing.

 

[Gameface]

Mind blown, so you think everything science creates is good? If it goes against the natural rhythm of the universe, then you have problems. For example, cloning -- think about its ramifications. It can be used for good or bad. GMOs were created as one poster said to alleviate the world's hunger, but at the same time has caused other problems like a heavy increase in the use of industrial pesticides. I don't see how anyone can say that is good, and when you factor in the ingredient of glyphosate, which even Monsanto executives admit is carcinogenic, you have to wonder if you can trust them and all that comes out about it. Did you know an alleged science writer who was a regular contributor to Forbes recently was fired for submitting an article that was written for him by Monsanto P-R people? Does that sound like someone interested in objective science?

No, I don't think everything science creates is good. I think even making that argument shows how stupid anything you're going to say is. That's an argument for a ****ing kindergartner to make.

 

[LogGrad98]

EM, you'll also want to avoid contact with dihydrogen monoxide. It kills thousands every year, and even though it is commonly used as an industrial cleaning agent it is perfectly legal to put in our food supply.

It's also a highly corrosive solvent and contributes greatly to soil erosion.

 

[Gameface]

Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's good for you -- use some common sense. This argument fails. Legal doesn't mean it's ok. Slavery used to be legal too. And yes, I would avoid it if I knew it was in a product that I might use.

I know, bro, I'm saying that you should watch out. dihydrogen monoxide is VERY dangerous. You should call your congressman and tell them to oppose the use of dihydrogen monoxide in the food industry.

 

[LogGrad98]

This is a very entertaining thread. Please continue everyone.

 

[Boris]

Mind blown, so you think everything science creates is good? If it goes against the natural rhythm of the universe, then you have problems. For example, cloning -- think about its ramifications. It can be used for good or bad. GMOs were created as one poster said to alleviate the world's hunger, but at the same time has caused other problems like a heavy increase in the use of industrial pesticides. I don't see how anyone can say that is good, and when you factor in the ingredient of glyphosate, which even Monsanto executives admit is carcinogenic, you have to wonder if you can trust them and all that comes out about it. Did you know an alleged science writer who was a regular contributor to Forbes recently was fired for submitting an article that was written for him by Monsanto P-R people? Does that sound like someone interested in objective science?

I think we should git rid of DDT cause malaria is so much more better. Oh wait, you liberal hippies already done that when we were on the verge of exterminating malaria. Now thousands of people die thanks to you.

 

[Getting Traded]

I think we should git rid of DDT cause malaria is so much more better. Oh wait, you liberal hippies already done that when we were on the verge of exterminating malaria. Now thousands of people die thanks to you.

Did you know that many birds were being wiped out before they banned DDT -- that argument is reactionary. Yes, JTT might be a farmer but apparently he isn't an organic farmer. Guess he thinks the organic movement is just propaganda. Has he looked at any epidemiological studies? The propaganda, however, is created by the Ag-Chemical industry led by Monsanto, perhaps the most noxious company in the modern era, creator of dioxin and Agent Orange, among other horrible stuff -- forgot to mention, Boris, it also created DDT.

Chew on this: http://earthopensource.org/wordpress/downloads/GMO-Myths-and-Truths-edition2.pdf

 

[Boris]

Did you know that many birds were being wiped out before they banned DDT -- that argument is reactionary. Yes, JTT might be a farmer but apparently he isn't an organic farmer. Guess he thinks the organic movement is just propaganda. Has he looked at any epidemiological studies? The propaganda, however, is created by the Ag-Chemical industry led by Monsanto, perhaps the most noxious company in the modern era, creator of dioxin and Agent Orange, among other horrible stuff -- forgot to mention, Boris, it also created DDT.

Chew on this: http://earthopensource.org/wordpress/downloads/GMO-Myths-and-Truths-edition2.pdf

Oh yeah? Liberal enviro whackos have killed 50 million people needlessly!

This is a story of triumph and tragedy. The triumph occurred in the middle part of the 20th century, when the larger part of mankind finally succeeded in overcoming the ravages of malaria, the deadly infectious disease that had afflicted the human race since the dawn of time (and which, by one estimate, had killed approximately half the people who had ever lived on earth). But within three decades, the triumph would give way to tragedy when leftist ideologues, professing concern for the integrity of the natural environment, collaborated to ban the use of the pesticide best known by the acronym DDT—the very substance that had made it possible to vanquish malaria from vast portions of the globe. By means of that ban, environmentalists effectively ensured that, over the course of the ensuing 30+ years, more than 50 million people would die needlessly of a disease that was entirely preventable.

An you wanna protect the other species at are expense? You a evolution denier re somethin? Sounds like it from what Siri an JTT have said.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1259

 

[Boris]

Did you know that many birds were being wiped out before they banned DDT -- that argument is reactionary. Yes, JTT might be a farmer but apparently he isn't an organic farmer. Guess he thinks the organic movement is just propaganda. Has he looked at any epidemiological studies? The propaganda, however, is created by the Ag-Chemical industry led by Monsanto, perhaps the most noxious company in the modern era, creator of dioxin and Agent Orange, among other horrible stuff -- forgot to mention, Boris, it also created DDT.

Chew on this: http://earthopensource.org/wordpress/downloads/GMO-Myths-and-Truths-edition2.pdf

Creator of dioxin lol that **** comes out of the transformers. Ain't no creator dip **** it is a chemical compound.

 

[RandyForRubio]

1) GMO crops do not lead to soil erosion. Poor farming practices do. Idiot.

2) Lets look at roundup ready corn. It's corn that can be sprayed with roundup, and kill everything but the corn. It also has an insecticide built into the corn plant. That means the only thing getting sprayed on, is roundup. No other pesticides. This results in less pesticides being used on the crop. It's also more cost effective.

3) I'm a farmer. I have a degree in crop science. I've been around agriculture my entire life. I get that you watched a documentary once, but I know more about this than you do. This is my life. Please try to be reasonable and learn some things.

4) Over the 30+ years that genetically engineered crops have been used, not one death has been caused by them.

5) Before a crop can be introduced into sales, they go through tens of millions of research and testing. I'm sure that you don't trust it, but it's legit.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Oh goodie.

Only organic farmers know what's up.

This is a fun argument I've never had.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Those plants you're referring to are not genetically engineered like many of the food products we are now eating that are engineered to resist heavy doses of Roundup and the glyphosate that is the main ingredient. There's a lot of controversy about unnatural genetic engineering which is what Genetically Modified Organisms (that's what they typically are called, but technically, evolution is the process of genetic modification as you say) are and how our bodies deal with it -- we haven't been eating them that long, and a lot of scientists are worried about it. But for sure the heavy use of glyphosate is not good for us or the environment. For one, it destroys everything but the GE crop and thus all the micro-organisms that make up the top soil and contribute to the natural ecology thus seriously eroding our top soil. It's unnatural. There's a documentary series about it that's coming up shortly. I can post a link for those who are interested.

There is actually a lot of money on both sides of this argument. For example Whole Foods and the Organic Food manufacturers have spent a lot of money on research to show the harmful effects of GMOS. Most of the research has been considered incomplete or not significant.

The scientific consensus on this issue is that GMOs are not harmful. This issue actually reminds me a lot of Global Warming, where there is a scientific consensus that people continue to not believe. What's funny is that most people who accept global warming, can't accept the science on GMOs.

 

[Siro]

I can see many of you are the ones who are uneducated about GE products, which is because you are brainwashed about it. Monsanto has a huge P-R that extends into the large trade organizations mentioned like the AMA. No one took notice of the point about the effect on the ecology, which is very important. I saw a film called the "Symphony of the Soil" that discussed the effect on the soil and ecology from GMOs. Apparently, people here don't take stock in the philosophy of using organic products. The basic idea is the reduction of pesticide use. Sure there are natural pesticides in the plant word, like the lectins produced by nightshade plants (tomatoes, peppers, and potatoes), but they aren't the same as industrial pesticides, which are much more toxic and harmful to the ecosystem and the human organism. The increases in cancer and neurological diseases testifies to this. I think people need to keep an open mind on this and not fall prey to those with profit motives. Do GMO products prevent the world from starving; that's been the cliched argument -- well, organic farmers claim it's not necessary and ironically, GMO products may lead to starvation by destroying the earth's top soil needed to grow crops. I'll post the link to the new series to "educate" those of you who they think they know it all about this issue.

Do you have anything substantive to say? Or did you just watch a video on YouTube and now are worked up about the sheeple who believe the evil scientists propaganda?

We either talk about the evidence at hand, or not at all. Given what you've displayed so far, I'm going to go ahead and assume the conversation is over.

 

[Siro]

Mind blown, so you think everything science creates is good? If it goes against the natural rhythm of the universe, then you have problems. For example, cloning -- think about its ramifications. It can be used for good or bad. GMOs were created as one poster said to alleviate the world's hunger, but at the same time has caused other problems like a heavy increase in the use of industrial pesticides. I don't see how anyone can say that is good, and when you factor in the ingredient of glyphosate, which even Monsanto executives admit is carcinogenic, you have to wonder if you can trust them and all that comes out about it. Did you know an alleged science writer who was a regular contributor to Forbes recently was fired for submitting an article that was written for him by Monsanto P-R people? Does that sound like someone interested in objective science?

The natural rhythm of the universe! LMAO. And to think I bothered.

And he has the balls to talk about"objective science" without having provided any scientific evidence, or even just basic logic.

/Facepalm

 

[♪alt13]

EM, you'll also want to avoid contact with dihydrogen monoxide. It kills thousands every year, and even though it is commonly used as an industrial cleaning agent it is perfectly legal to put in our food supply.

Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's good for you -- use some common sense. This argument fails. Legal doesn't mean it's ok. Slavery used to be legal too. And yes, I would avoid it if I knew it was in a product that I might use.

All I am preaching here is that people inform and educate themselves about this issue because the mainstream information on this is controlled by the people who produce GMOs and the products that used in conjunction with it -- and it is those products, not so much the GMOs (though this is debatable) that are the bigger problem.

lmao

 

[Miggs]

Eenie Meenie pwning Tip here.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Over my head on this one. My only contribution is to ask: What does the science say? I'm not talking about a handful of alarmists scientists or pro scientists but rather the scientific consensus. On matters of science, shouldn't science actually be the primary factor on which we form opinions and make decisions?

 

[Gameface]

Over my head on this one. My only contribution is to ask: What does the science say? I'm not talking about a handful of alarmists scientists or pro scientists but rather the scientific consensus. On matters of science, shouldn't science actually be the primary factor on which we form opinions and make decisions?

Dude, science made the a-bomb! I wouldn't trust them.

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