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Gobert Injured in Practice: Grade II Sprained MCL

Too much doom and gloom here. Setbacks can create opportunities. I think our three wing rotation is just beginning to gel. Wait'll all three are firing on all cylinders, and we'll be tough to beat, even without Rudy.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Too much doom and gloom here. Setbacks can create opportunities. I think our three wing rotation is just beginning to gel. Wait'll all three are firing on all cylinders, and we'll be tough to beat, even without Rudy.
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You don't lose a unique talent like Rudy and have everything be okay. We will lose several more games because of this.
 
zman1527 said:
You don't lose a unique talent like Rudy and have everything be okay. We will lose several more games because of this.
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Our D will be worse but our O will be better.

Favors/Booker/Hayward/Hood/Neto or Withey/Favors/Hayward/Hood/Neto
 
zman1527 said:
You don't lose a unique talent like Rudy and have everything be okay. We will lose several more games because of this.
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Of course not. Just saying things may not be as bad as some people think, and in the long run might be beneficial, so long as it's only a bump in the road for Rudy and doesn't lead to a chronic knee problem, which is why the Jazz need to err on the side of caution and don't let Rudy come back too soon. I remember when Larry Bird had his heel spurs operation (had them on both heels). He tried to come back too early (rushed himself into workouts on the court), and not only did he injure himself further but it also caused him to run unnaturally when he first came back, which in turn led to the back problem that prematurely ended his career.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Of course not. Just saying things may not be as bad as some people think, and in the long run might be beneficial, so long as it's only a bump in the road for Rudy and doesn't lead to a chronic knee problem, which is why the Jazz need to err on the side of caution and don't let Rudy come back too soon. I remember when Larry Bird had his heel spurs operation (had them on both heels). He tried to come back too early (rushed himself into workouts on the court), and not only did he injure himself further but it also caused him to run unnaturally when he first came back, which in turn led to the back problem that prematurely ended his career.
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I had the injury about 10 years ago playing beer league softball and I laughed when the Ortho told me the treatment was about four to six weeks of sitting on a bar stool. When I was cleared to come back I recall a lot of stiffness in the joint and it seems like I missed about 6 weeks.
 
You're too optimistic. Even losing Exum made the defense considerably worse. Losing Gobert on top of that means they lose half of their inside defense after losing half of their outside defense. They basically have 3 real good NBA players left now : Favors, Hayward and Burks. It doesn't make a great team anymore.

Part of the problem is the Jazz never had a good bench to begin with, so it's getting kinda ugly when injuries happen.

Quoting Andy Bailey : "Utah's Net Rating is +4.8 when Rudy Gobert's on the floor. It's -4.9 when he's off. It's going to be a trying 4-6 weeks for the Jazz."

10 point net differential. It's huge. Gobert had a very big impact, it's just you don't see it everytime in his stats.

I hope I'm wrong though and I'll still watch the games unless they get slaughtered.
 
Worth noting that as a starter last year, Booker averaged 17 and 9 in 5 games. Will be interesting to see if he gets put in the starting lineup.
 
Rudy's impact in stats

ESPN
RPM is 1.41. Worth 1.21 wins
Basketball reference

BPM 4.5, VORP 0.8

NBA.com
PIE 11.9
accounts for 63.8% of Jazz blocks and 37.7% of Jazz rebounds when he is on the floor


https://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS/position/9
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html
https://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203497/stats/advanced/

I think the best reflection of his impact is PIE. He is second to Favors (18.0) on the team.
The best not stat attribute has to be his passion. Rudy is a big part of the soul of the team and outward demonstrations such as the salute and physically moving teammates into place on defense show he has a deep desire to win. I think that doesn't do justice to the emotion inside him, I think eating souls gets closer to the mark. Rudy is a warrior.

As far as how the Jazz fare while he is gone, survive is the word that comes to mind.

Some cool random facts about Rudy:
  • He was a boxer growing up - explains his back down to nobody attitude
  • He told himself he was never going to the D-league, so he was pissed when he and Ian Clark got sent
  • He hated the stifle tower nickname at first because he thought stifle meant thin
  • He models himself after Tyson Chandler, though he want to be better on offense

https://www.nba.com/sixers/features/130605-gobert-spotlight
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/rudy-gobert-meet-the-nbas-stifle-tower-20141030#ixzz3tH8gc9ub
A bit of insight into Corbin/Rudy relationship perhaps:
Sometimes it's hard to show [what you can do] in five minutes. You come in at the end of the game and do a mistake and the coach is going to be like, 'You see? You're not ready to play. You did this mistake.
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https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/rudy-gobert-meet-the-nbas-stifle-tower-20141030#ixzz3tH8gc9ub
 
Center Favors
PF Hayward
SF Hood
SG Burks
PG Neto

Burke,Booker,Lyles

You got to play Favors,Hayward,Hood,Burks 30 to 36 minutes a game similar to Detroit and Neto over Burke starting for same reason as all season ,better pace,better defense,and better ball movement
 
Rudy is important to this team. No question about that.

That said this team if it is a playoff team and wants to be competitive in the future at a high level will step up. We will see what this team is made of and we will see who steps up and makes another step. This can make good players great and I expect that to happen to a couple players on this team. I also think our weak bench will step up and we will identify who is our backup C and PF. They will get a lot more minutes and have to play better or we will know that might not be our future.

This injury is rough but it will make this team better in the long run and we will still make the playoffs.

We will also get to see a better offense. Rudy is a great defender but our offense will step up.
 
Jazz still favored tonight by 4 points. So, some people think the team still has enough to win games against the lesser teams around the league. That's all the Jazz need to do right now. Plus they'll be at home and have a pretty easy schedule. There's a chance they could stay pretty much where they are at or fall back to around 8th in the west.

The sky is not falling.

Has there been any update or timetable announced for Rudy's return?
 
Gameface said:
Jazz still favored tonight by 4 points. So, some people think the team still has enough to win games against the lesser teams around the league. That's all the Jazz need to do right now. Plus they'll be at home and have a pretty easy schedule. There's a chance they could stay pretty much where they are at or fall back to around 8th in the west.

The sky is not falling.

Has there been any update or timetable announced for Rudy's return?
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It's time to give Withey an extended run.
 
Stoked said:
Our D will be worse but our O will be better.

Favors/Booker/Hayward/Hood/Neto or Withey/Favors/Hayward/Hood/Neto
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Gee, I guess Rudy does not matter. Maybe we can trade him for something. I guess I was deluded into thinking he was an important cog, eh?
 
Broncster said:
Rudy is important to this team. No question about that.

That said this team if it is a playoff team and wants to be competitive in the future at a high level will step up. We will see what this team is made of and we will see who steps up and makes another step. This can make good players great and I expect that to happen to a couple players on this team. I also think our weak bench will step up and we will identify who is our backup C and PF. They will get a lot more minutes and have to play better or we will know that might not be our future.

This injury is rough but it will make this team better in the long run and we will still make the playoffs.

We will also get to see a better offense. Rudy is a great defender but our offense will step up.
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love the attitude!
#BelieveInJazz


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zman1527 said:
Gee, I guess Rudy does not matter. Maybe we can trade him for something. I guess I was deluded into thinking he was an important cog, eh?
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Did you think he would never get injured, or that a 2-6 week injury would be the end of any season the Jazz could ever hope for?
 
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