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Goodbye Burke

TheSilencer1313 said:
Have you actually watched videos of Wiggins, Randle, Parker, or Embiid?
These guys will be top 10 NBA players.

So are you saying that a draft can't be strong unless there's a Lebron or Kobe like talent?

P.S. - Kobe did not look that impressive coming into the league. He was a 13th pick originally drafted by the Hornets.
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how can you be so sure they will be top 10? wiggins is way too raw, randle is under sized, and embiid has no offense. only sure thing is jabari who maybe become leagues leading scorer.
 
Fabtrey said:
how can you be so sure they will be top 10? wiggins is way too raw, randle is under sized, and embiid has no offense. only sure thing is jabari who maybe become leagues leading scorer.
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Interesting.
Wiggins is way too raw......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At9_xoCEBh4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
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TheSilencer1313 said:
Interesting.
Wiggins is way too raw......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At9_xoCEBh4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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go look up every 'potential' guys' highlights. they are look great in highlights. i've seen 5 kansas games so far, and nothing really stands out from offensive stand point. and his athleticism is kinda overrated. i really don't see elite athleticism.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
Randle is undersized.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdsY62qaCoA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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yes. Jabari is supposed to be 6ft 7 even. melo was measured at 6ft 6 1/4.
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Carmelo-Anthony-1520/

i see randle at 6ft 8 or less. so he isn't a huge PF. he could very well be measured at 6ft 7 1/2 ish. i would be surprised if he is measured at 6ft 9 even barefoot. demarcus cousins on the hand was measured at 6ft 9 1/2 barefoot. i know cousins play center alot, but his naturally PF. aldridge was measured at 6ft 10 barefoot.

IMO 6ft 8 PF is somewhat undersized. randle has strength and long arms so it really doesn't matter, but let's not act like he is huge because he isn't.



bottom line - randle, embiid, gordon, etc, etc. all have tremendous potential. but are they sure thing? no. they have to develop just like kanter has to develop.
 
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TheSilencer1313 said:
Embiid has no offense........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7L0Dbee6fA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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i see guy who is too skinny, can't box dudes out and has suspect hands. he is bit slow, and his post games are far from ready. his ceiling is no doubt leaner roy hibbert. but he can easily be thabeet who couldn't bulk up and couldn't develop any offense.

and you are confusing the offensive ability to 'offense'. anybody can do these moves. you can do it too. but true offensive talent is a guy who can do this move if they want to do at any given time. would embiid be able to post up in a crucial situation and make the shot? if he is that guy, then coach would draw the play to post up embiid. let's see if he can consistently do that in march. i doubt he can. i think he is still too raw. and this isn't just a knock on embiid. hell, Hakeem called out dwight earlier saying he is still raw. dwight can do all those moves embiid did in that highlight. but many critics including myself see dwight as an athlete without post moves. it's all about consistency. just look at charles barkley. he could do anything at anytime and there is nothing anybody could do about it. that's now a true offense. that kinda guy avg 25+. a guy without an offense may have a hot night here and there, but can't consistently do it because they don't have it.


top 10 pick for sure. he is 7ft, long as hell, and good enough athlete. he would seriously need to bulk up though. future allstar? he would have to work his butt off. not saying he is bust. i'm just saying he is raw. and raw means 2-3 year project minimum.
 
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Fabtrey said:
i really don't see elite athleticism.
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I'm fine with your other comments (which I think are wrong) but saying that wiggins atheleticism is not elite is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

Watch a high school highlight video where you will see him in dunk contests and doing dunks in practice and stuff.

Then tell me he is not an elite athelete.
 
fishonjazz said:
I'm fine with your other comments (which I think are wrong) but saying that wiggins atheleticism is not elite is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

Watch a high school highlight video where you will see him in dunk contests and doing dunks in practice and stuff.

Then tell me he is not an elite athelete.
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based on dunks? are you serious? go youtube rudy gay dunks. jeff green's. dunks are just dunks. i'm looking at the first step, agility, lane speed, hops, body control. everything.

to me elite athletes are

westbrook
healthy rose
bron
blake griffin

eh, who else?

and from the past
vince carter
MJ
nique
shaq
wilt

etc, etc.


seriously, do you really see a freak athleticism by wiggins? i mean absolute freak freak athelticism. to me that's an elite ethleticism. where? how? show me once where his head goes easly above the rim like gerald green's dunk. show me where he goes airborn and changes his body position ala MJ style. show me bron like straight line speed.

sorry i think wiggins athleticism maybe up there with Tmac's. but i never once consisdered tmac an elite athlete. i considered him tad below elite. could wiggins be top 10 in athleticism immediately? probably. but let's not act like he is lebron like.
 
Fabtrey said:
westbrook
healthy rose
bron
blake griffin

vince carter
MJ
nique
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Fatbrey goin full retard

Im sure you are right and all the scouts and people who have watched him play for the last 5 or so years are wrong.
Wiggins athleticism is elite better than everyone you listed.

Better hops than all of the above......quicker first step than bron, griffin, vince and wilkins

His agility in the lane is phenomenal (those spin moves doe) his speed from one end of the court to the other is better than vince, wilkins, and griffin. (probably not as fast as westbrook, rose, or lebron from one end of the court to the other with the ball.)

Oh and remember that he is 18 years old
he will become even quicker and more explosive with better handles as he grows into his body.
Right now he is too quick and atheletic for his own good.
 
fishonjazz said:
Fatbrey goin full retard

Im sure you are right and all the scouts and people who have watched him play for the last 5 or so years are wrong.
Wiggins athleticism is elite better than everyone you listed.

Better hops than all of the above......quicker first step than bron, griffin, vince and wilkins

His agility in the lane is phenomenal (those spin moves doe) his speed from one end of the court to the other is better than vince, wilkins, and griffin. (probably not as fast as westbrook, rose, or lebron from one end of the court to the other with the ball.)

Oh and remember that he is 18 years old
he will become even quicker and more explosive with better handles as he grows into his body.
Right now he is too quick and atheletic for his own good.
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you are nuts if you think wiggins is more athletic than 18 year old bron. if you ever think wiggins is anywhere near bron in terms of athleticism than you are

1. legit wiggins mom
2. jayhawks booster
3. wiggins himself


bron at age of 18 carried 40lb more than wiggins and made wiggins athleticism borderline so-so.

MJ? do you really honestly believe wiggins is MJ like athlete? MJ had the greatest body control NBA basketball has ever seen. first step? do you honestly believe wiggins have MJ's first step?
[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=qukNKGNphoQ


i stated wiggins could be top 10 athlete in NBA. but that doesn't mean he is elite freaky athlete. to me elite athlete means once in a generation type of athlete. Bron and shaq of the world. i just don't see it. sorry.
 
Fabtrey said:
you are nuts if you think wiggins is more athletic than 18 year old bron. if you ever think wiggins is anywhere near bron in terms of athleticism than you are

1. legit wiggins mom
2. jayhawks booster
3. wiggins himself


bron at age of 18 carried 40lb more than wiggins and made wiggins athleticism borderline so-so.

MJ? do you really honestly believe wiggins is MJ like athlete? MJ had the greatest body control NBA basketball has ever seen. first step? do you honestly believe wiggins have MJ's first step?
[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=qukNKGNphoQ


i stated wiggins could be top 10 athlete in NBA. but that doesn't mean he is elite freaky athlete. to me elite athlete means once in a generation type of athlete. Bron and shaq of the world. i just don't see it. sorry.
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Wiggins isn't in LeBron's ball park as far as basketball skill and IQ at 18, but just on pure athleticism I think Wiggins may be the most explosive basketball player I've ever seen. His lateral quickness and 2nd leap are completely off the chart. Where LeBron was superior physically was his NBA body.
 
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da ThRONe said:
Wiggins isn't in LeBron's ball park as far as basketball skill and IQ at 18, but just on pure athleticism I think Wiggins may be the most explosive basketball player I've ever seen. His lateral quickness and 2nd leap is completely off the chart. Where LeBron was superior physically was his NBA body.
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That

Fabtrey, you are simply wrong about wiggins not being an elite athelete
 
i'm done arguing with whoever thinks wiggins is more explosive than young bron.

again bron was doing that at 245lb. that's a huge, i mean huge difference.

if any 1 expert come out and say wiggins is more explosive than bron ever was then i'll eat crow.
 
Fabtrey said:
i'm done arguing with whoever thinks wiggins is more explosive than young bron.

again bron was doing that at 245lb. that's a huge, i mean huge difference.

if any 1 expert come out and say wiggins is more explosive than bron ever was then i'll eat crow.
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Bron didn't weigh 245 in high school
 
green said:
The only PG's I would take over Burke are:

Irving, Paul, Westbrook, Lillard. That's it. Four. Toss in the fact that those four players will be or are max players, and I don't know if I want to pay my PG max money. If I can have Burke for 10 per, Hayward at 12 per, Favors at 12 per, Parker at max, I'd take that over one of those four, and losing Favors or Hayward.

The real kicker in all of this is that the Jazz HAVE to get a superstar this draft.
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Why is everyone so sure that Burke will never be a max player? You think he's an elite point guard but for some reason he will never be paid like one? Makes no sense to me.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Why is everyone so sure that Burke will never be a max player? You think he's an elite point guard but for some reason he will never be paid like one? Makes no sense to me.
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What scares me the most is that I have never seen a player that looked more disappointed to be here than Trey. He just looked straight up unhappy. Maybe I'm wrong but I really don't think I am. I think he will be a pain to extend.
 
fishonjazz said:
Bron didn't weigh 245 in high school
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Agreed!

I'm betting Lebron would have maybe 5 more pounds on Wiggins if they were the same age, at the same point in there careers.
Coming out of high school, they look like perfect twins in athleticism, and skill.

Bron maybe has the edge in court vision and basketball IQ. There's only one Lebron and only one MJ anyway.
 
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