Gordon VS. Vonleh
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framer
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Another good question would be, who do you fear more coming in and kicking our ***** as a Laker? Gordon or Vonleh. I have absolutely no fear of Vonleh. I can see Gordon giving us nightmares for years just like Scottie Pippen did (as a Bull obviously.) I think Scotty did more to beat the Finals Jazz than Jordan did.
The guys who will come in and kick our *** in the near term will be Embiid, Parker, Exum, Smart and Randle. I have no more fear of Gordon than I do Aminu.
Jazz4ever
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MKG was compared to Pippen a lot in 2012, it doesn't look like its going to happen.
framer
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Who the Hell is talking about MKG?
Sexual Favors
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No. That is pointless. It all depends on situation, role, and minutes. Too many variables to go off of.
Yes, and the keyword here is "basic." Furthermore, I also responded by pointing out that Anthony Bennett and Jabari Parker have near identical PER 40's, and are both projected tweeners. Does this mean Jabari will be Anthony Bennett? I don't think so. A lot of players share basic stats. So what?
And you think this makes them the same player?
MKG really could not shoot. He shot 25% from 3.
Gordon shot 35% from 3. A 10% difference at that range is all the difference in the world.
MKG's shot NEVER looked right. He doesn't even have consistent form. Sometimes he brings it back behind his head. Others times his shoulders and arms are crooked. Gordon's looks consistent and a lot purer. Could he he have more touch? Absolutely. But should we be MKG scared? No way in hell.
And are you really comparing the depth of the 2012 draft to the 2014 draft? Just because they were projected as a similar rank coming out of high school is irrelevant. The classes are two different beasts with different depth at each position.
Similar praise, but because it wasn't completely true for one, it makes it false for another? Or something to be scared of? I'm not sure What point you're trying to make with this wrap around logic. Players bust all the time. Are you saying that any player with defensive skills and an ability to pass is automatically a bust? That is obviously untrue.
MKG is 6'5.75" w/o shoes and 6'7.5" w/ them.Gordon is 6'7.5 w/o shoes and 6'8.75" w/o them. Or, 6'9" w/ MKG's shoes
This is the NBA. Height really matters.
Also, MKG had a body fat % of 7.0, compared to A. Gordon's 5.1
Gordon is ripped, and his torso makes the V shape which allows for more upper body strength, while MKG's shoulders are more in line with his hips.
Again, the height differential is huge. The frames are different, in favor of Gordon's more pronounced V, and A. Gordon either takes better care of his body, or has a naturally more athletic body, as evidenced by his better body fat %. These things add up, and they matter greatly.
Slightly more vertical? Aaron Gordon had 39" compared to MKG's 35.5" . A. Gordon and his people claim he underjumped as well. They say his personal best is 42".
But let's say A. Gordon's vertical is really 39". And he stands 6'9" in MKG's shoes as already proven. When he is rising to the hoop, he is rising a full 5" higher than MKG. That is a very big difference. If he really does jump 42", then the difference is 8".
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Michael-Kidd-Gilchrist-5707/
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Michael-Kidd-Gilchrist-5707/
^ MKG is 6'5.7" w/o shoes
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aaron-Gordon-6458/
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aaron-Gordon-6458/
^ A, Gordon is 6'7.5" w/o them.
Your argument is basketball is played in shoes? So it doesn't matter how high the sole is? Preposterous. A. Gordon could just as easily buy bigger shoes to inflate his height. Measuring w/o shoes tells you the truth.
After looking at the data again, I see I posted it wrong the first time. A. Gordon is 1.75" taller.
Really? You don't think having a 12.5% TO rate, which is markedly worse than the league average, is a big deal to his and his team's success? Admittedly, he is faring better than the 17.3% he got up to in college, but to say it isn't affecting him would be untrue.
His shooting has already been discussed by myself, framer, phippsj, and multiple others who actually watched him play.
It's already been said that it would've been nice to see him shoot more, but it wasn't in Arizona's offense for him because of who they already had, and where they needed him on the court. When he shot a 3, it was due to a broken play. 35.6% on broken plays is probably pretty good.
You're insinuating that Aaron's 3pt% would've gone down had he shot more, but one could also assume it could've gone up if the plays were designed for him.
At the end of the day, A. Gordon's 35.6% on 45 attempted 3's is still 10% better than MkG's 25.5% on 51 attempts. Not a lot of similarity, except for attempts.
Also, as has already been stated, MKG's shot has always looked severely broken, while A. Gordon's has not.
You claim I haven't addressed his conference play, but I already did in post #42. Framer and others have also expounded on this.
And you are a lone wolf. What serious scouts are comparing A. Gordon to MKG? Your similarities are based on basic stats, which don't tell us much as I have already shown with my Parker: Bennett comparison, and a grasping at straws approach to citing scouting reports for similar catch phrases.
If you don't see the difference, it's because you are choosing not to, ... and that's your right.
Sexual Favors
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PG_AB, when you respond to this this time, please make sure your thoughts are quotable, otherwise you won't be getting a response from me.
Doublea
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You could just copy and paste you know?
Sexual Favors
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I am on an Ipad. Copying and pasting is redundant. It takes a while to edit out all of my responses, and just leave his. He can respond normally. He doesn't need to respond within my quoted text.
Referencing his second to last post directed at me.
Game6Conley
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your going to use 1 stat... PER... to try and disprove the similarities i brought up in;
age,positional questions, highschool rank, projected draft position, fg%, rebounding rate, defensive ability, workethic, bbiq, passing ability, steal rate, block rate, wingspan, standing reach, transition scoring, hands ... etc
why are you trying to say i dont see the difference, i said obviously with any player comparison not everythings going to be totally identical something thats gone way over your head while getting defensive. Ive outlined the differences, FT%, 3pt%, 1¼" height in shoes, 3" in vertical, MKG sprints alittle faster... its not really all that much
your argument is weak as ****, sorry
Parker and Bennett's PER being equal proves your point somehow??
MKG's Per 21.4 Gordon's 20.4 ... yet another similarity
if they were so different you should be able to come up with a nice sized list of things Aaron Gordon can do that MKG cant
your also putting a ton of words in my mouth(i didnt watch him play? i watched him plenty and i posted the "aaron gordon is not human" video of on this site in 2012...) im not 'insinuating' anything about more attempts, what kind of **** are you fabricating to make this argument LOL
Aaron Gordons 3pt shooting was awful in conference play... you wont even accept that as fact, though he shot 17% over an 18 game stretch
anyway good luck to you and aaron gordon and this thread, ive had enough.
age,positional questions, highschool rank, projected draft position, fg%, rebounding rate, defensive ability, workethic, bbiq, passing ability, steal rate, block rate, wingspan, standing reach, transition scoring, hands ... etc
why are you trying to say i dont see the difference, i said obviously with any player comparison not everythings going to be totally identical something thats gone way over your head while getting defensive. Ive outlined the differences, FT%, 3pt%, 1¼" height in shoes, 3" in vertical, MKG sprints alittle faster... its not really all that much
your argument is weak as ****, sorry
Parker and Bennett's PER being equal proves your point somehow??
MKG's Per 21.4 Gordon's 20.4 ... yet another similarity
if they were so different you should be able to come up with a nice sized list of things Aaron Gordon can do that MKG cant
your also putting a ton of words in my mouth(i didnt watch him play? i watched him plenty and i posted the "aaron gordon is not human" video of on this site in 2012...) im not 'insinuating' anything about more attempts, what kind of **** are you fabricating to make this argument LOL
Aaron Gordons 3pt shooting was awful in conference play... you wont even accept that as fact, though he shot 17% over an 18 game stretch
anyway good luck to you and aaron gordon and this thread, ive had enough.
Sexual Favors
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Game6Conley
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thats what i said? i came in this thread and wrote 'Im convinced A Gordon's player comparison is MKG' ???
is what i wrote. obviously this guy is reading what he wants to read at this point, im out of this thread. just wanted to point out how SF is twisting words
is what i wrote. obviously this guy is reading what he wants to read at this point, im out of this thread. just wanted to point out how SF is twisting words
Stifle Tower
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For those who are Gordon or Vonleh fans, I think that is the direction Lindsey may be headed. This was a very good interview (link below). I think it's telling that he mentions there being some great prospects beyond the top-4, some that may develop into very good players. Several times he mentions doing what is best for the "long-term" interests of the Jazz. Also has been telling prospects in interviews not to expect a starting role right away. Interesting observation that interviews don't influence who to take, but they may remove a prospect from consideration.
Also said he has been busy attending workouts since the lottery. So even though we haven't had anyone show up in SLC, they have been looking at potential draft picks,
https://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20140523_052314_dennis-lindsey-WEB.mp3
Also said he has been busy attending workouts since the lottery. So even though we haven't had anyone show up in SLC, they have been looking at potential draft picks,
https://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20140523_052314_dennis-lindsey-WEB.mp3
spycam1
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Litany
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If I'm the opposing team I just clog the paint. No shooting, puke. Gordon's lack of offensive game has me very worried.
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Stifle Tower
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That's what she said
