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Grantland Article on Exum, Vonleh and Gordon

And this from Bilas, talking about Orlando's pick.
Jay Bilas: Embiid, or Marcus Smart. I really like Smart. He is a competitor, a winner and every single coach he has played for has absolutely loved him. He is a great defender on and off the ball, he is strong, he can post a smaller guard, he is really good in transition, he's an excellent passer, and he can play the point. The only thing he doesn't do is shoot it, but part of that is his proclivity to take bad shots to prove he can shoot it, which cements the fact that, right now, he can't.
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My2Cents said:
I agree there are concerns with Smart (although I think the character issues are overblown), but why do we only seem to worry about red flags when it's someone other than Gordon. And here we go again with the "if he learns to shoot" argument.
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This is from Chad Ford this morning. I know it doesn't mean much, but I like Smart, then Gordon.
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give me some gordon red flags that are not shooting related.

(remember, the question was asked that if you fixed both thier shots then would they be equals. i said no cause smart has more than just shot issues. try to keep up)
 
Fabtrey said:
1. gordon
2. randle
3. vonleh
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...sounds to me like this Gordon fella is just like another Jazz player we had a few years ago.....Ronnie Brewer! Lot's of energy, always moving, good defense, could go to the hoop, lots of alley oops......but couldn't shoot a lick from the outside! If Brewer could have made a jumpshot or two, the Jazz would still have him on the roster....true or false?
 
fishonjazz said:
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give me some gordon red flags that are not shooting related.

(remember, the question was asked that if you fixed both thier shots then would they be equals. i said no cause smart has more than just shot issues. try to keep up)
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TBH, it doesn't take a lot of effort to keep up with you. The other red flag for Gordon, although Gordon homers will disagree, is position. This is from the Grantland piece and I agree.
What position does he play in the NBA? The body of a 3, the game of a 4. Does he know who he is? He was billed as an SF, and he just isn’t right now.

The position thing really concerns me. He’ll guard 3s — that means chasing guys through screens. But you can’t play him defensively against the bigger guys. They are going to torture him in the paint.
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In any case, Gordon's shooting isn't just a red flag it's a huge freaking red banner that says CAN'T SHOOT. The only red flag for me with Smart is his shooting, but he shoots 73% from the line so I think he will be a much easier" fix" than Gordon. He brings defense and a toughness that we really need and I don't consider character or tweener to be red flags. I'd be happy with either one but I like Smart a little more.
 
My2Cents said:
TBH, it doesn't take a lot of effort to keep up with you.
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obviously you have a hard time keeping up because you continue to bring up shooting.

in the hypothetical (hope you understand what that means) brought up, gordon and smart are both fantastic shooters.

so when you continue to bring up shooting it shows that you are not understanding the concept of the hypothetical (hence, not keeping up)

i agree that gordons shooting is a huge red flag and is a much bigger issue than smarts shooting.

But in the proposed scenario we are talking about them both being great shooters and that if that were the case then would they be equals. maybe you think at that point they would be equal or maybe you think smart would be better. Thats a perfectly valid opinion to have.
 
Oh okay, so I'm the one struggling with the concept of the hypothetical. Let's see. The hypothetical was predicated on Gordon becoming a "respectable shooter" and asked if you applied the same logic (that their shooting could be improved) would Smart be a more appealing player. The hypothetical did not state they would both be "fantastic" or even equal shooters. Smart is already a better shooter than Gordon and would still be the better shooter if the hypothetical played out because they would improve to the same extent.
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So then you're full steam ahead on the assumption that if they are equal, Gordon is the choice because Smart has character and tweener red flags, while ignoring the fact Gordon might have tweener issues of his own. Look, it's all just opinion. I like them both but lean to Smart. I think of all the players in the Jazz range he is the one I fear the most as an opponent. He will terrorize Trey.
 
My question is this: IS there ANYBODY out there at the number 5 pick that can actually SHOOT and has basketball brains??? We all know this is an offensive minded league that caters to the offensive player. So our pick doesn't have to be a great defensive player, but one that can hit open shots, know where he's suppose to be on the floor, can spread the floor and get the ball to teammates who can hit open shots as well! Does such a player exist in THIS draft?
 
Maybe it might be Doug McDermott? ;)
I would have no problem if they wanted to take him at #5.
 
Listening to David Locke's hangout. Jody is a guest there, and he thinks jazz will go with AIR GORDON at 5 pick. Jazz doesn't like any power forwards, since they have too many flaws.
 
slc said:
Maybe it might be Doug McDermott? ;)
I would have no problem if they wanted to take him at #5.
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4 year college kid that can actually shoot! Knows the game of basketball inside and out! Has a ton of intangibles! Only draw back?......he's white.
 
The more I analyze Gordon and Volneh, the less I like them. I just don’t see them becoming impact players in NBA, or even solid starters. Gordon with his 42% FT shooting and not having a true position is of particular concern. I feel it would be a tremendous waste of a pick to get one of these guys. Smart and Randle seem to be much better choices. How in the world did Gordon and Volneh leapfrogged over Randle, when Randle actually LED his team to the NCAA finals, was far and away the best player there, and averaged double-double in the process? As a freshman. If Volneh measured so well, why couldn’t he become impact player in NCAA his first year? Randle did.

Marcus Smart, while did not take his team far, was the leader of the team, and best player. Actually improved his shooting in second year. And his stats are pretty sick. Steals, boards, assists… Look very similar to Paul George in NCAA, but from PG spot. Sure we have Burke at point, but I feel we gotta take best player available. If we get to #5, and Smart or Randle are there, I would definitely choose these over Gordon and Volneh.
 
Take Embiid if he is there, please. Sit him all year, let him get healthy, and we have either a major, major trade asset or a stud center.
 
carolinajazz said:
4 year college kid that can actually shoot! Knows the game of basketball inside and out! Has a ton of intangibles! Only draw back?......he's white.
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And slow. And no one knows what position he can actually play in the NBA.
Great 6th man candidate. Not going to be a starter.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Take Embiid if he is there, please. Sit him all year, let him get healthy, and we have either a major, major trade asset or a stud center.
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Since there is nothing else he can become other than a major trade asset or a stud center. Remind again what Portland got in return for Oden?
 
carolinajazz said:
...Larry Bird was slow. Magic Johnson was slow! Heck, Dirkowitz is slow! Rather have slow, smart and can shoot.....than fast, stupid and dumb!
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Larry Bird averaged around 4 assists, Magic Johnson was a PG with elite passing skills, Dirk Nowitzki has elite size. Doug averages 1.6 assists and has an average size and he is slow.
 
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