Graphic video released of police killing another black man in cold blood

[One Brow]

Grocery stores usually have things with baskets with wheels on them that you use to carry items that you intend to purchase.

Why should need to use one for picking up two or three items?

How?

Perhaps by talking to the person before you start shooting.

 

[One Brow]

Welp, to me it looked like the dude was waving the gun back and forth. Then he noticed the cops and tried to dive out of the way, then he came back into the frame and tried to pick up the gun. And he got shot. From what I can see, I don't think it is that crazy that the cops would think he was armed and dangerous.

That part where it looked to you like he dived out of the way? That's immediately after the police had fired two shots, to my understanding at least one of which struck him. Did you notice he was not facing in the direction the police came from?

 

[One Brow]

Do really believe America is this out of control, wildly violent country as compared to others?

1) Depends on which "other" you mean.
2) I'm worried about the direction, as well. We have less crime than ever, while police are becoming more violent.

 

[HighlandHomie]

That part where it looked to you like he dived out of the way? That's immediately after the police had fired two shots, to my understanding at least one of which struck him. Did you notice he was not facing in the direction the police came from?

LogGrad is dead-set on smearing the innocent victims in these situations because of his bizarre insecurity with his own identity. He's a repugnant human being. He still thinks George Zimmerman is a real patriot and American hero.

 

[One Brow]

LogGrad is dead-set on smearing the innocent victims in these situations because of his bizarre insecurity with his own identity. He's a repugnant human being. He still thinks George Zimmerman is a real patriot and American hero.

I would not say that at all. At times, LogGrad98 shows a real ability to empathize with groups he is not a part of, and I don't recall him ever saying Zimmerman was a hero.

 

[Stoked]

I would not say that at all. At times, LogGrad98 shows a real ability to empathize with groups he is not a part of, and I don't recall him ever saying Zimmerman was a hero.

Unlike yourself, highland seems to have no problem with offensive insults on a personal or group wide level. We might disagree a lot but I admire your passion and am willing to read your posts. Highland is simply not worth reading.

You might interpret things differently and that has good value. He simply makes things up to fit his narrative.

 

[Hotdog]

1) Depends on which "other" you mean.
2) I'm worried about the direction, as well. We have less crime than ever, while police are becoming more violent.

1.There are other countries with lower crimes rates, but the US is still the safest place to live in terms of inside threats combined with outside threats. And for the most part, is still one of the safest places inside it's borders. Then combine that with the amount of opportunity and freedom here. It makes the US the best country to live in. I stand by my point. People aren't desperately trying to leave the US, they are desperately trying to get in.

If racism is such a huge problem and all white people are scum, then I ask again, why aren't people fleeing from the US?

It's because everyone knows deep down that it's a bunch of over exaggerated BS. The fact of the matter is, most white people aren't racist and they have been bending over backwards for years now to prove it. It just goes unappreciated. And all the focus goes on the small minority that are racist. Which ironically is just racism too, because it lumps all white people together as being racist. Funny how the works huh? That's the problem with saying white people are racists. It's just reverse racism. Every person and every situation has to be analyzed separately in order for racism to not exist.

2. Maybe there is a correlation between less crime and police becoming more violent. Sometimes crooks could use a good old fashioned *** woopen to set them straight.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

1.There are other countries with lower crimes rates, but the US is still the safest place to live in terms of inside threats combined with outside threats. And for the most part, is still one of the safest places inside it's borders. Then combine that with the amount of opportunity and freedom here. It makes the US the best country to live in. I stand by my point. People aren't desperately trying to leave the US, they are desperately trying to get in.

If racism is such a huge problem and all white people are scum, then I ask again, why aren't people fleeing from the US?

It's because everyone knows deep down that it's a bunch of over exaggerated BS. The fact of the matter is, most white people aren't racist and they have been bending over backwards for years now to prove it. It just goes unappreciated. And all the focus goes on the small majority that are racist. Which ironically is just racism too, because it lumps all white people together as being racist. Funny how the works huh? That's the problem with saying white people are racists. It's just reverse racism. Every person and every situation has to be analyzed separately in order for racism to not exist.

2. Maybe there is a correlation between less crime and police becoming more violent. Sometimes crooks could use a good old fashioned *** woopen to set them straight.

Awesome job on point #1. I agree with it 100%. As for point #2, not so much.

 

[TroutBum]

A good way to do that might have been to use the store PA and tell everyone there were reports of a gunman and to leave the store immediately. They should have ordered the gunman to put down his weapon. All of this could have been monitored on the security cameras. The kid with the toy might have realized that they were talking about him, he probably would have been scared ****less and obeyed the orders.

I know it has already been pointed out how absurdly stupid this is, but I thought it was worth pointing out again. I think the headline, "Police Induce Riot At Walmart; 3 Trampled To Death" sounds better than "Cops Shoot Moron Waving A Gun Around".

I'm saying they should think about these things in advance, and that maybe this should be part of procedure. They should not be rushing into situations with virtually no idea how they are going to handle them. There should be a plan. Also, I am not suggesting reviewing tape. I'm talking about looking at the live feed. That said, there is a good chance that you're right that if they were to analyze this particular idea they would determine that it's not practical.

As if your initial point wasn't foolish enough, you brought your A-Game with this one.

You don't think there are procedures for a received call of an allegedly armed individual in a very public place?

Don't be silly, cops only train how to set up speed traps, drive tanks, arrest pot heads, and shoot unarmed black teens. Don't you read the internet?!

I'm sure there are. But...

But... Your opinion is better because you have years of experience regarding situations like this.

Well, if they followed them in this case, apparently the procedure is to run in at full speed and start firing shots at anyone they perceive as a target. So either they need a better plan, or they need to follow the plan that is hopefully far better thought out than what we saw on that video.

You mean like, get on the P.A. or take ten minutes or so to view footage? HH is an alt, so at least we know he doesn't really believe anything he's typing. I don't think the same can be said for you, unfortunately.

Hard to believe cops are on even more of a hair trigger since Michael Brown incident.
Would think all law enforcement agencies would be begging their forces not to create another Ferguson firestorm.
To show extreme restraint before pulling the trigger.
But where does a cop draw the line? It's his life on the line.
Every cop says he wants to go home to his family after his shift.

No they don't. They want to ruin their and their family's lives by gettin' them knee grows.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I know it has already been pointed out how absurdly stupid this is, but I thought it was worth pointing out again. I think the headline, "Police Induce Riot At Walmart; 3 Trampled To Death" sounds better than "Cops Shoot Moron Waving A Gun Around".

So I made a poor suggestion. BFD. I acknowledged that long before your reply (which, based on the way you worded things, you probably already knew). It's an internet message board, not the UN.

The good news is, despite your overactive imagination, no innocent people died as a result of my comment. I still maintain that the police did a very poor job of handling this particular situation. I say that even though I am a strong supporter of the police force.

 

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That part where it looked to you like he dived out of the way? That's immediately after the police had fired two shots, to my understanding at least one of which struck him. Did you notice he was not facing in the direction the police came from?

So, when they initially shot at him he was waving a gun around?

Sorry, I haven't watched the video nor read the story (nor will I), but I just want to know the point you are trying to make here.

 

[TroutBum]

So I made a poor suggestion. BFD. I acknowledged that long before your reply (which, based on the way you worded things, you probably already knew). It's an internet message board, not the UN.

The good news is, despite your overactive imagination, no innocent people died as a result of my comment. I still maintain that the police did a very poor job of handling this particular situation. I say that even though I am a strong supporter of the police force.

Good post. I feel like a dick now.

 

[LogGrad98]

That part where it looked to you like he dived out of the way? That's immediately after the police had fired two shots, to my understanding at least one of which struck him. Did you notice he was not facing in the direction the police came from?

What I posted was my first response from just watching the video. It could have been shots fired or they could have yelled at him. No soundon thesurveillance video.

Why the hell did he come back trying to pick up the gun?

 

[Yell42]

RIP John Crawford. Around the same time the Ferguson PIGS murdered Mike Brown, more dumb white pig cops in Ohio shot and killed John Crawford in Walmart. Crawford had been holding a pellet gun but it was on the ground (barrel end on the floor) and he was talking on the phone when the pigs gunned him down, killing him. Not only is it completely legal to conceal and carry in Ohio, Crawford broke no laws and the dumb, trigger happy white PIGS killed him within 1.6 seconds of seeing him.

LINK to video.

Curious to hear the racist pig defenders LogGrad, EJ Wells and Joe Bagadonuts try and spin this one in favor of the pigs. There is a real problem in this country with pig cops slaughtering people and I can't wait to see them lose their jobs as well as their lives when they are brought to justice in one form or another!

Dont worry I am sure those super racism fighters jesse jackson and al sharpton are cooling everything down

oh wait, they only fan the flames of hatred for their own agenda

Nevermind

 

[Gameface]

Dont worry I am sure those super racism fighters jesse jackson and al sharpton are cooling everything down

oh wait, they only fan the flames of hatred for their own agenda

Nevermind

I'd be pretty pumped if you made some overtly racist comments (again) and got banned outright.

 

[LogGrad98]

1) Depends on which "other" you mean.
2) I'm worried about the direction, as well. We have less crime than ever, while police are becoming more violent.

How do you define and quantify "more violent"? Is it possible they are no different than ever yet due to our connected society we just know about more of it than before? I would like to see some statistics showing police violence today vs the 60's, let's say.


This makes me think of child abduction. If you look at the statistics child abduction has not changed at all in like 40 years. Nearly exactly the same stats. But if you ask people they will tell you that it is a terrible problem that is getting worse, even to the point of people stepping in and calling CPS and/or trying to parent for you if you let your kid go somewhere unattended. So the fact that we see every single child abduction in real time has made people think it is worse when really it is exactly the same as it was when you or I were children. Are police suffering from the same bias?

 

[Gameface]

If we are more aware about police brutality today than in the 60s and are more sensitive to it I say good for us. Let's get rid of that ****, pronto.

 

[One Brow]

1.There are other countries with lower crimes rates, but the US is still the safest place to live in terms of inside threats combined with outside threats.

By that standard, pretty much any Nordic country, sans Finland, is safer, as well as much of Western Europe.

If racism is such a huge problem and all white people are scum, then I ask again, why aren't people fleeing from the US?

Some people love a country to much they would rather try to fix it than flee it.

It's because everyone knows deep down that it's a bunch of over exaggerated BS.

In your experience, as a white man, it's over-exaggerated. It's amazing how easily white men think that their experience is the only relevant experience.

It just goes unappreciated.

Did you want some reward for not being a jerk or for treating people equally? What do you think you deserve for that?

Which ironically is just racism too, because it lumps all white people together as being racist.

As long as you are stuck in a mindset where racism is a problem of some people, and not a problem of culture, you are part of the problem.

2. Maybe there is a correlation between less crime and police becoming more violent. Sometimes crooks could use a good old fashioned *** woopen to set them straight.

Your true colors come shining through.

 

[One Brow]

So, when they initially shot at him he was waving a gun around?

In the sense that a gun pointed at the ground is being "waved around", sure.

Sorry, I haven't watched the video nor read the story (nor will I), but I just want to know the point you are trying to make here.

In that case, I was making this point: on the video, you can't tell that the man fell behind the shelves because he was shot (there is no audio), so while without that knowledge it might be reasonable to think he was trying to avid the police, with that knowledge it's obvious he had no such motive.

 

[One Brow]

What I posted was my first response from just watching the video. It could have been shots fired or they could have yelled at him. No soundon thesurveillance video.

Yep. That's why I offered the additional information.

Why the hell did he come back trying to pick up the gun?

I don't think he did. To my eyes, he was trying to run and stumbled.