Gun Control

[VINYLONE]

I consider this bad form and would have no issues if the gun owner were penalized...

https://www.8newsnow.com/story/2755...r-man-who-tried-to-rob-red-lobster-on-decatur

LAS VEGAS -- Metro Police said they have arrested 28-year-old Dillon Webb in connection to a robbery at a Red Lobster restaurant Thursday night.
Police said shortly before 10 p.m., Webb walked into the seafood chain with a gun at the S. Decatur Boulevard and Alta Drive location and demanded money.

He ended up getting a cash drawer and ran out the door, but was stopped by a customer in the parking lot who was armed with a gun. The customer shot one round into the air, which spooked Webb, making him drop the cash drawer and run, police said.

Officers later caught up with the 28-year-old and booked him into the Clark County Detention Center.

He faces charges of two counts of robbery with a deadly weapon, two counts of assault with a deadly weapon, and one count of burglary with a deadly weapon.

 

[Gameface]

Too many people seem to be far too trigger-happy and far too irresponsible in the care and use of the guns they own. But hopefully natural selection will take care of that problem.

So yeah, the problem will eventually solve itself!

In the meantime, let's all speak with as much hyperbole as we can muster.
(see what I did there?)

I completely agree with the bolded part. While I was banned I had planned to come back and start a thread on sensible, effective ways that we could possibly make firearms ownership less troublesome than it is. But, you know, I can talk to my self all by myself so I decided to skip the hassle.

 

[Gameface]

Nah, I'm pretty sure he was.

As far as the steps needed for gun control to work? No, no hyperbole. I think those steps I outlined (and that I oppose) would be a solid step towards "gun control" in the U.S. I stated them to make the point that I see that as the necessary direction gun control needs to take in order to work. It is because I oppose those steps that I oppose "reasonable regulation" when it comes to privately owned firearms...because the current crop of "reasonable regulation" will be ineffective. Anyone familiar with firearms and familiar with rural, military and urban gun culture (of which I have at least some familiarity with) knows that the kinds of regulations being proposed are a complete joke and will not make a difference. So, if those regulations pass...and then don't work, what's next? Do the pro-gun control folks remove the unnecessary, burdensome and ineffective regulations or propose that they will work if only we closed this loophole and that one?

Since I oppose measures that would effectively end privately owned firearms that can be used for individual self-defense and for armed resistance, I oppose BS "reasonable regulations" that will fail and require less reasonable regulations in order to work.

 

[♪alt13]

I consider this bad form and would have no issues if the gun owner were penalized...

https://www.8newsnow.com/story/2755...r-man-who-tried-to-rob-red-lobster-on-decatur

Why?

Terminal velocity. The bullet will not come down and kill someone.

 

[Gameface]

Why?

Terminal velocity. The bullet will not come down and kill someone.

Because firing warning shots is not an appropriate use of a firearm.

 

[♪alt13]

Because firing warning shots is not an appropriate use of a firearm.

Why?

 

[Gameface]

Why?

Because it is reckless. It is a violation of the 4 basic rules of firearms safety. Because concealed carry rules only allow for brandishing and discharge in order to stop an immediate threat to the life or limb to yourself or another innocent person.

Because the round may carry a lethal amount of force depending on the angle of discharge.

 

[Gameface]

FWIW, the police and military are not allowed to fire warning shots.

 

[VINYLONE]

Because it is reckless. It is a violation of the 4 basic rules of firearms safety. Because concealed carry rules only allow for brandishing and discharge in order to stop an immediate threat to the life or limb to yourself or another innocent person.

Because the round may carry a lethal amount of force depending on the angle of discharge.

****ing well stated. Could not have said it better myself.

 

[VINYLONE]

https://www.10tv.com/content/storie...-homeowner-shoots-man-breaking-into-home.html

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Columbus Police say a man is dead after trying to break into a home in the 500 block of Station Road on the city's west side.

Police tell 10TV the man was trying to get inside a home when the homeowner shot him.

The man died at the scene. Police identify him as 19-year-old Brandon Bolin.

The incident is still under investigation.

Watch 10TV News and refresh 10TV.com for additional information.

 

[VINYLONE]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...-police-good-samaritan-face-charges/20289515/

A 40-year-old man who shot a woman's ex-boyfriend in the chest after he responded to her pleas for help Monday night at a Scottsdale apartment complex will not face charges, according to Scottsdale police.

Scottsdale police Officer Kevin Watts declined to identify the 28-year-old ex-boyfriend on Wednesday, saying that he remained in serious condition at a Valley hospital.

The incident unfolded at about 11:30 p.m. at the Colonial Grand at Old Town Scottsdale apartment complex near 70th Street and Thomas Road, Watts said.

Watts said the ex-boyfriend broke into his 35-year-old ex-girlfriend's apartment and held her captive before she was able to escape.

As she fled, the woman knocked on doors and yelled for help. When a 40-year-old man came out of his apartment to help the woman, her ex-boyfriend attacked him, Watts said.

A brawl ensued inside the 40-year-old man's apartment, where Watts said the neighbor eventually shot the ex-boyfriend with a handgun.

The ex-boyfriend fled the apartment but later collapsed.

The investigation is ongoing.

 

[moevillini]

and another one bites the dust...

https://abc7chicago.com/news/15-year-old-killed-after-accidental-self-inflicted-gunshot/434367/

LYNWOOD, Ill. (WLS) -- A 15-year-old Lynwood boy is dead after he accidentally shot himself while on FaceTime with a friend.

Blake Hannett died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head on Thursday night after a gun accidentally went off, police said. He was talking with a friend on FaceTime when the screen went blank. Police responded to the home in the 2700-block of Lake Park Drive in Lynwood and found the teenager at his desk with a .38 caliber handgun on the floor under his chair, officials said.

Hannett's family said the teenager heard a noise and searched the home with the family gun for an intruder, as they say there had been a suspicious person in the neighborhood lately. They said the gun went off as he put it down in his room.

The parents of Hannett said are proud of their son and his achievements - and say Friday would have been his 16th birthday.

In the chapel at Marian Catholic High School, photos of Hannett showcase his charismatic personality. He was a sophomore, played the trumpet in the school's marching band, and was well-known for his smile.

"He was a wonderful kid, a top-notch kid, the kind of kid that really represented our school and we're just terribly hurt by his loss," said Marian Catholic High School Principal Steve Tortorello.

 

[Gameface]

and another one bites the dust...

https://abc7chicago.com/news/15-year-old-killed-after-accidental-self-inflicted-gunshot/434367/

I'm going to check the link, Moe, but understand this, guns don't just go off and hit you in the head.

4 Basic rules of firearm safety (if you're not following these rules you are not a responsible gun owner).

All guns are always loaded.
Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

 

[Gameface]

Yeah, no answers in that article. It was a very poorly written article, fwiw.

In order for a gun to fire the trigger has to be pulled, unless this was an antique handgun, or one made in Japan during WWII.

In order for a bullet to penetrate you skull the barrel of that gun needs to be pointed towards your skull. Never have I ever allowed the barrel of any gun I've owned to be pointed at my skull unless the breach was open and I had verified that it was clear. Like, even if I had just verified that it was clear and closed the bolt, I would never allow that barrel to point towards my head. Never. Ever.

 

[moevillini]

I'm going to check the link, Moe, but understand this, guns don't just go off and hit you in the head.

4 Basic rules of firearm safety (if you're not following these rules you are not a responsible gun owner).

Yeah, no answers in that article. It was a very poorly written article, fwiw.

In order for a gun to fire the trigger has to be pulled, unless this was an antique handgun, or one made in Japan during WWII.

In order for a bullet to penetrate you skull the barrel of that gun needs to be pointed towards your skull. Never have I ever allowed the barrel of any gun I've owned to be pointed at my skull unless the breach was open and I had verified that it was clear. Like, even if I had just verified that it was clear and closed the bolt, I would never allow that barrel to point towards my head. Never. Ever.

trust me, I'm not as stupid as that kid


and fwiw, the coroner ruled it a suicide

I wonder if the friend at the other end of the video chat has more information that's not being shared - -

funny, too, just after I hit send on my original post a PSA about gun safety came on the radio

https://www.multivu.com/mnr/7111651-national-crime-prevention-council-family-firearms-safety-campaign

Of course, if his parents had kept the gun locked up the kid might not have had such easy access to it to protect himself against an intruder (real or imagined...)

 

[Revolution 9]

Im just happy I dont live in the states anymore. The taco stand where i put the owners kids through college got robbed, and someone was murdered. My old bank was robbed, and one of my favorite convenience stores had a robbery and murder. Too many school shootings. Too many gun nuts. I'm all in favor of our 2nd amendment rights, but not enough people want to talk bout what is sensible. It's just a way of life now. Here guns are very regulated, you must get properly trained, and you cant roll into your local REAL (german walmart type store) and buy a gun.

 

[Stoked]

Im just happy I dont live in the states anymore. The taco stand where i put the owners kids through college got robbed, and someone was murdered. My old bank was robbed, and one of my favorite convenience stores had a robbery and murder. Too many school shootings. Too many gun nuts. I'm all in favor of our 2nd amendment rights, but not enough people want to talk bout what is sensible. It's just a way of life now. Here guns are very regulated, you must get properly trained, and you cant roll into your local REAL (german walmart type store) and buy a gun.

I have had more violent encounters outside the US then in them. Yes ancedotal but violence, or the potential for it, is everywhere. There are some extremely safe areas in the US.

 

[VINYLONE]

In order for a gun to fire the trigger has to be pulled, unless this was an antique handgun, or one made in Japan during WWII.

Yup. An accidental discharge is almost a misnomer. If you pull the trigger, the gun should discharge.

Too many gun nuts. I'm all in favor of our 2nd amendment rights, but not enough people want to talk bout what is sensible. It's just a way of life now. Here guns are very regulated, you must get properly trained, and you cant roll into your local REAL (german walmart type store) and buy a gun.

What's a gun nut? Be more specific.

Furthermore, I've always viewed the adjective "sensible" when talking about gun rights and laws as code speak for let's take away more of their rights and abilities to procure firearms. When you say sensible, be more specific.

Here in Los Angeles, for instance, in order to purchase a handgun, I have to have a current handgun safety certificate. If I don't, then I have to take a test and pay for one. $25.00. If I am buying a handgun from a dealer, I then have to pay a DROS (dealer register of sale) fee ($35.00) and wait 10 days before I can pickup the handgun. If I am buying the handgun from a private party, I have to take that handgun into a dealer, pay a PPT fee ($35.00) and wait 10 days. I can't ship any ammunition into the city of Los Angeles, so either I have to buy a PO Box in a neighboring city outside of LA county or use a friends address in a similar location. On top of all that, only guns that have been registered and submitted the California handgun roster can be purchased in California.

Is all of that sensible? Will all of those laws and regulations stop someone from committing a crime? Remember, once you've decided to kill people and essentially break the ultimate law, no other laws matter.

 

[Qman]

Im just happy I dont live in the states anymore. The taco stand where i put the owners kids through college got robbed, and someone was murdered. My old bank was robbed, and one of my favorite convenience stores had a robbery and murder. Too many school shootings. Too many gun nuts. I'm all in favor of our 2nd amendment rights, but not enough people want to talk bout what is sensible. It's just a way of life now. Here guns are very regulated, you must get properly trained, and you cant roll into your local REAL (german walmart type store) and buy a gun.

Related questions, is gun violence worse than other violence? Knife? Bat? An improvised weapon? What about an acid attack?

So if the taco stand you are talking was attacked by a guy with a sword and he murdered someone while robbing it--is that different than if he used a gun?

To me the message should be about violence in general.

 

[Stoked]

Related questions, is gun violence worse than other violence? Knife? Bat? An improvised weapon? What about an acid attack?

So if the taco stand you are talking was attacked by a guy with a sword and he murdered someone while robbing it--is that different than if he used a gun?

To me the message should be about violence in general.

On a single victim by victim comparison I would say no and in some cases less (such as a gunshot to the head v. being beaten to death with a bat). But I would say the speed with which it can escalate to multiple victims v, a knife or bat is much worse.

For example, guy robs a taco stand and people jump him to stop him, the chances of stopping him before mutliple fatalities is lower if he has a firearm.