Hayward Joins Elite Jazz Company

[Stoked]

I don't see Hayward regressing to start next season. If you look at the circumstances heading into this season, the slow start is somewhat understandable. First of all, he didn't start to come on until really late in his rookie year. IMO he was just starting his ascent as soon as the season ended. Then, he's hit with a lockout that stops him from working out with his team, getting more comfortable with his new coach, etc. Thanks to the condensed season, everybody on this Jazz team has had to try and get better without having almost any practice time to speak of.

I agree. Plus this is more consistent than the flashes he showed last year. He has been playing this way game in and game out for the last 2 weeks. I think he has turned the corner and will continue his progression. I think he will be even better next year.

You guys think 20 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 asp, 1 spg and 1 bpg are possible?

 

[NUMBERICA]

I agree. Plus this is more consistent than the flashes he showed last year. He has been playing this way game in and game out for the last 2 weeks. I think he has turned the corner and will continue his progression. I think he will be even better next year.

You guys think 20 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 asp, 1 spg and 1 bpg are possible?

To average numbers like that, you have to be insanely consistent. They're very lofty, but not impossible.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hayward just post the first back-to-back 20 point games of his career?

I'm pleased that he's playing less timid than earlier in the year. However, he still appears timid going down the stretch of tight games at times. Another important step for him is to start taking crunch time shots more often.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

So AK never posted a 20 10 night?

 

[vslice02]

So AK never posted a 20 10 night?

Andrei Kirilenko did it 31 times.

Keep in mind Dantley played alot of PF as well - in fact Thurl Bailey early in his career played more of a SF role and Dantley that of a PF.

Why not just change the OP to "Hayward became only the 2nd shooting guard in franchise history to score at least 20 pts and grab 10 rebs, joining Jazz great Darrell Griffith"?

 

[jope]

Andrei Kirilenko did it 31 times.

Keep in mind Dantley played alot of PF as well - in fact Thurl Bailey early in his career played more of a SF role and Dantley that of a PF.

Why not just change the OP to "Hayward became only the 2nd shooting guard in franchise history to score at least 20 pts and grab 10 rebs, joining Jazz great Darrell Griffith"?

haha ok,

i guess the basketball reference search is a little wonky

I only searched for Guards, or Guard-Forwards. I think it has AK listed as Forward only, so he didnt show up in the results.

Basketball reference is showing AK got 20 pts and 10 rebs 11 times, through 2003-2006, which is when i believe he was still playing more PF, but im sure some of those were at the SF position.


Are some of the 31 times you are talking about other double doubles? or is basketball reference inconsistent?


either way, Duly noted and will change

 

[vslice02]

i guess the basketball reference search is a little wonky

I only searched for Guards, or Guard-Forwards. I think it has AK listed as Forward only, so he didnt show up in the results.

Basketball reference is showing AK got 20 pts and 10 rebs 11 times, through 2003-2006, which is when i believe he was still playing more PF, but im sure some of those were at the SF position.

Are some of the 31 times you are talking about other double doubles? or is basketball reference inconsistent?

either way, Duly noted and will change

The 31 games I was referring to were 20-point & 10-rebound games.
Not to get too off-topic, but I've always felt it was somewhat a "myth" that AK played his best basketball early in his career as a PF. Actually the only time he played PF fulltime was 31 games to start the 2003-04 season before Harpring went out with his acl injury. Once Harp went down, AK slid back to SF and Utah played a traditional 4 (Ruffin/Gugliotta/Moore) up front next to Ostertag. Either way, a 20&10 game from Hayward is definitely noteworthy and extremely rare from a Jazz 2-guard.

(oh and you don't need to quote me on that stat in the OP - you did all of the work and research, AD was just a minor technicality).

 

[GhostofScalabrine]

Future All-Star! Wait, this is the nba where talent get's overlooked and we vote in an injured Yao Ming. On the topic i think Big Al deserved a spot this year but thats the way things go. I think Hayward will have incredible career numbers, at worst be a solid player, annnndddd yeah All-Star caliber yes, can i see him being overlooked because of being on a small market team, sure. But you got the player to win Championships right? Who cares if he doesn't get to go to an All-Star game and yell for a pass while kobe shoots 100 shots

 

[jope]

The 31 games I was referring to were 20-point & 10-rebound games.
Not to get too off-topic, but I've always felt it was somewhat a "myth" that AK played his best basketball early in his career as a PF. Actually the only time he played PF fulltime was 31 games to start the 2003-04 season before Harpring went out with his acl injury. Once Harp went down, AK slid back to SF and Utah played a traditional 4 (Ruffin/Gugliotta/Moore) up front next to Ostertag. Either way, a 20&10 game from Hayward is definitely noteworthy and extremely rare from a Jazz 2-guard.

(oh and you don't need to quote me on that stat in the OP - you did all of the work and research, AD was just a minor technicality).

I like to give credit where it is due.