Hayward or Kanter
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Sexual Favors
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Neither.
Sexual Favors
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Kanter stays because he is trending upward in a big way, but still doesn't have a trade value that reflects actual value/potential. The best two man lineup for the past month has ironically been Kanter and Favors. Since March 1st, Kanter has averaged something like 14 pts and 10.5 REBs in less than 30 mins. I am pretty sure Jazz are still high on him. Dennis Lindsey basically said he sees Kanter and Gobert as the front court of the future in his interviews earlier this year on 1280.
Hayward will stay because we can't trade him for his value. A sign and trade wouldn't net his full value, and no team would have incentive to do so. Conversely, we have the money to max Hayward for the next 4 years if we wanted to and not have it affect the ability to sign whoever we draft this year. Other teams know this, and will probably see a bidding war as futile. Why would they want to tie up their cap space when they could be recruiting more attainable free agents? Signing Hayward still leaves us with cap space. Letting players walk for cap space, like in the cases of Al and Paul, was a one time thing, and not a message the FO is wanting to send to the league. Forming a habit of letting all of our best players walk at contract time would make us obsolete and non factors in trade talks. Why would any team ever trade with us again if they believed they could just get our players in free agency!?
Hayward will stay because we can't trade him for his value. A sign and trade wouldn't net his full value, and no team would have incentive to do so. Conversely, we have the money to max Hayward for the next 4 years if we wanted to and not have it affect the ability to sign whoever we draft this year. Other teams know this, and will probably see a bidding war as futile. Why would they want to tie up their cap space when they could be recruiting more attainable free agents? Signing Hayward still leaves us with cap space. Letting players walk for cap space, like in the cases of Al and Paul, was a one time thing, and not a message the FO is wanting to send to the league. Forming a habit of letting all of our best players walk at contract time would make us obsolete and non factors in trade talks. Why would any team ever trade with us again if they believed they could just get our players in free agency!?
Sexual Favors
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If someone were to go, I would see it as being Favors because he has a very appealing contract and could bring the most value. Additionally, Dennis Lindsey said in January on 1280 that he thinks our best defensive scheme this year was keeping Favors close to the basket because that is where he is most effective, but even then he is undersized and that he sees Gobert being the one to fill that role in the future. At this stage, I think our players who get inked first could be the first ones to go when we actually build the team. Those with appealing contracts will bring in more return than young players on expiring rookie deals whose value are still undetermined.
Fishsticks
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I'm sorry but you truly are delusional and out of your god damn mind.
Fishsticks
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Again......cuckoo. DL....has never hinted at such a ridiculous thing.
Fishsticks
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To answer ops question, one could only hope kanter will be gone so we can be done with this kind of talk.
There might be a chance we trade Kanter during the season if Favors/Kanter don't work out .
Signs Favors to a 4 year contract, thinks Gobert/Kanter is frontcourt of future. Makes sense.
Tarkanian
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care to substantiate what he actually meant?
It all depends on which coach comes in. If they are an inside out coach I think both Kanter and Favors has a role on the team. If it's a spread them out run and gun, Kanter may have to go. I will say Gobert needs to be the backup 5. He's too good to get DNP's next year. Get some lower body strength, and be a dominate shot blocker. The point with the Gobert rant means I think either Kanter or Favors needs to get used to being a pick and pop 4.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Really!! Are you for real? Get a damn clue!
Fishsticks
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Maybe if....i....type.....slower.......he.....never.....said.....such.....a........thing.
addictionary
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Time has thought me that the Jazz are not a fan of sudden changes. But if they send Corbin, everything is possible.
addictionary
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Is it only this forum or does every white in Utah talks a Caucasiated African-American accent?
e.g. Beach what is your problem, do you know what I'm saying?
Sexual Favors
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https://1280thezone.com/index.php/archive/search_results/d018350aebd52ceb7ea1e68665dab6b4/
Feb 18th
4:35 DL on Derrick, "the role we envision is the role that he is playing now..."
Feb 21st, 4:53
DL on Rudy, "Rudy's played some minutes of late because of Derrick's injury, and you know are defensive challenges. He's had to work and fight for that opportunity, and guess what? Our defense is better when Rudy's on the court. We expect that to go forward as well. "
Jan 3rd 2014. 13:28 on Enes
"Again, he had a very serious shoulder injury, and was rehabbing all summer instead of working... He's 21, he's 6'11", he can shoot. ... We just got to let him find himself"
Jan 3rd 2014 14:09 on Derrick
"Frankly, he needs to get better. We paud him to be a high level defender, a rebounder, a finisher, and someone who is developing an offensive game.
16:20
"I think in due time that Enes with his touch, and his range, if he doesn't shoot the 3 eventually, can certainly shoot the long 2. He shot 44 % last year on long 2's."
18:02
"I think some of the strategy that Ty has used here recently of keeping Derrick closer to the paint, is something that the Indiana Pacers have done, and is something that we've looked at and talked about a while, and think it would be a strength for Rudy as well going forward."
December 27th 2013
7:02 on Enes
"I know there is a little angst publicly where Enes is at. ... You have to remember a couple of things with Enes Kanter. He lost a couple of seasons years past before he joined the Jazz organization because of inelgibility. This past offseason he was rehabbing his shoulder instead of just playing basketball like our other players; so he really lost a good 6 months because he had to focus on the shoulder. Really, the first day he had contact was our last day or two of open gym.and the team's in flux. He's with a bunch of other young players."
8:36 on Enes
"He's still a 21 yr old player. He and Trey would be juniors this year. ... A couple things, he's 6'11", he's got great hands. He's a very motivated young big. He plays the game because he enjoys the competition, he really enjoys the work, and usually when you add those characteristics up something good's going to happen.So, we're going to be really patient with Enes, and we're really glad he's a part of the organization . ... I think Kevin O' Connor made a really good pick with that pick.
Feb 18th. 1:22 DL responds to a question about Enes' defense.
"You know he needs to improve, but Enes IS NOT the only player. We have to improve collectively as a group. That's on me. We have to continue to add defensive minded players, players that value that, that can compement some of our young offensive players, if you will."
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Let me be clear, I don't think, nor am I saying Favors will be gone before next season. What I am saying is that Kanter will be staying, and that ultimately DL sees Rudy as fulfilling Derrick's role, which MAY make Derrick expendable at some point when we are trying to acquire pieces for our championship run. Derrick is much more of a known commodity (played almost twice as many NBA minutes than Kanter and is a year older), and is already inked to a very appealing contract.
My gut and wish is that both will stay. For the past month, Kanter and Favors has been the Jazz' best 2 man lineup, which probably reinspires the passion for the Kanter-Favors duo that FO once had.