Hood's Injury

[MVP]

And I will repeat, I'm not talking about giving up a ton of players for him. I'm just saying Joe Johnson (who is more of an ISO heavy player than Gay ever was, and continues to be) and a late 1st round draft pick or two.

Well if you want to replace JJ with him and in his role than yes, I see how he would be better option than JJ. I just don't see him fitting in otherwise.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I watched him enough in Toronto to see what kind of mentality he was. Maybe he did change... who knows.

Shows how out of date your knowledge is.

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[Ellipse]

The all star break ends after Sunday Feb 19th. I'm not expecting to see him before then, despite these reports.

Come on, have some faith! The Jazz trainers will speed his recovery by using an alternating, daily regimen of leeches and bloodletting to restore balance to his humors.

 

[MVP]

Shows how out of date your knowledge is.

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Few Sacramento games I watched this or last year did not show much difference TBH. Granted it's just few games, usually I am not interested in watching Sacramento unless they play Jazz.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I don't count on us going far over the tax and think we won't touch luxury tax but some think I'm insane.

Agree that we won't go far over the tax, as the penalties become too steep, but if we are able to keep Hill and Hayward, I'll bet we go into the tax as much as 10 million for a year or two, after next season.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

You wouldn't even give up 1 first rounder? If you can do Joe Johnson and a single 1st rounder that seems like a no-brainer to me. Even two first, if one of them is the GSW pick, seems like a good deal.

No way to 2 1sts, even if he was healthy, which he isn't now.

The Sacramento Kings believe Rudy Gay suffered a torn Achilles tendon in the Sacramento Kings' loss on Wednesday to the Indiana Pacers.
An MRI has been scheduled for Thursday to confirm the diagnosis.
‎Gay, 30, made it clear coming into the season that he intended to walk away from the final season of his Kings contract, valued at $14.3 million in 2017-18, to opt for free agency in July.
With the injury and a long recovery time, Gay could instead decide to opt into his contract with the Kings.

 

[Getting Traded]

A torn Achilles? That has been career-ending for players, Memo, for instance.

 

[MVP]

if he indeed suffered torn Achilles tendon he would be dumb to not opt in. Collect your millions while rehabbing. Seems like no brainer.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Agree that we won't go far over the tax, as the penalties become too steep, but if we are able to keep Hill and Hayward, I'll bet we go into the tax as much as 10 million for a year or two, after next season.

Maybe one year. But two? Does that make Utah a repeat offender? I'm not a capologist, but I know the penalties were very steep under the CBA. It wasn't just a 1 for 1 penalty anymore in a lot of cases. Not sure if anything has changed in the new CBA.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

Maybe one year. But two? Does that make Utah a repeat offender? I'm not a capologist, but I know the penalties were very steep under the CBA. It wasn't just a 1 for 1 penalty anymore in a lot of cases. Not sure if anything has changed in the new CBA.

ESPN in July projected the tax line @ 122 million for next year with the CAP @ 102 million. If Hayward gets the 30% max, we will have the following ten players under contract before re-signing anyone else:

Hayward @ 30,6
Favors @ 12
Johnson @ 10,5
Burks @ 10,6
Exum @ 5
Lyles @ 2,5
Gobert @ 21,2
Hood @ 2,4
Neto @ 1
Bolomboy @ 0,9

This makes for a total commited salary of 96,7 million. With cap holds for our draft picks next summer, this will rise to just about an even 100 million. This means that we will have around 22 million to split between Hill and Ingles if we want to retain them, and that Diaw, Mack and Withey are gone.

Can we get Hill & Ingles to sign for a combined $22 million? I severly doubt it, but it should be possible to dump Joe Johnson together with some cash and a draft pick, so it is absolutely doable to retain our core while remaining under the tax threshold next season.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Agree that we won't go far over the tax, as the penalties become too steep, but if we are able to keep Hill and Hayward, I'll bet we go into the tax as much as 10 million for a year or two, after next season.

I actually meant the cap not the tax. I don't think we go far over the cap... I don't think we ever pay the tax again.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

ESPN in July projected the tax line @ 122 million for next year with the CAP @ 102 million. If Hayward gets the 30% max, we will have the following ten players under contract before re-signing anyone else:

Hayward @ 30,6
Favors @ 12
Johnson @ 10,5
Burks @ 10,6
Exum @ 5
Lyles @ 2,5
Gobert @ 21,2
Hood @ 2,4
Neto @ 1
Bolomboy @ 0,9

This makes for a total commited salary of 96,7 million. With cap holds for our draft picks next summer, this will rise to just about an even 100 million. This means that we will have around 22 million to split between Hill and Ingles if we want to retain them, and that Diaw, Mack and Withey are gone.

Can we get Hill & Ingles to sign for a combined $22 million? I severly doubt it, but it should be possible to dump Joe Johnson together with some cash and a draft pick, so it is absolutely doable to retain our core while remaining under the tax threshold next season.

Think Favs and or Burks could be moved... possibly JJ.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

Think Favs and or Burks could be moved... possibly JJ.

I think we might have to choose between Ingles and Hood. If we can tie up Ingles for a reasonable salary this summer, I would see what Hood could get us on the trade market. With Hood`s inconsistent performances, I am far from sure that I want us to be the team that gives him 20 million a year after his rookie deal expires.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think we might have to choose between Ingles and Hood. If we can tie up Ingles for a reasonable salary this summer, I would see what Hood could get us on the trade market. With Hood`s inconsistent performances, I am far from sure that I want us to be the team that gives him 20 million a year after his rookie deal expires.

That's really interesting but I think he is a big part of the long term thinking. He would certainly get a pretty good return on the trade market.

 

[Ron Mexico]

ESPN in July projected the tax line @ 122 million for next year with the CAP @ 102 million. If Hayward gets the 30% max, we will have the following ten players under contract before re-signing anyone else:

Hayward @ 30,6
Favors @ 12
Johnson @ 10,5
Burks @ 10,6
Exum @ 5
Lyles @ 2,5
Gobert @ 21,2
Hood @ 2,4
Neto @ 1
Bolomboy @ 0,9

This makes for a total commited salary of 96,7 million. With cap holds for our draft picks next summer, this will rise to just about an even 100 million. This means that we will have around 22 million to split between Hill and Ingles if we want to retain them, and that Diaw, Mack and Withey are gone.

Can we get Hill & Ingles to sign for a combined $22 million? I severly doubt it, but it should be possible to dump Joe Johnson together with some cash and a draft pick, so it is absolutely doable to retain our core while remaining under the tax threshold next season.

I think moving JJ might be our best option next year. That will clear enough space to keep both Inlges and Hill.

We also will have lots of good players to make a trade move if the right player comes along at the trade deadline or next season. I think some or a lot of our moves next off season will depend on how this post season goes. If we make it past the second round we do everything we can to retain most or all of our players that played any significant time in the post season. If we lose in the first or barely win the first and get swept in the second we are more likely to make some changes.

 

[BTP]

ESPN in July projected the tax line @ 122 million for next year with the CAP @ 102 million. If Hayward gets the 30% max, we will have the following ten players under contract before re-signing anyone else:

Hayward @ 30,6
Favors @ 12
Johnson @ 10,5
Burks @ 10,6
Exum @ 5
Lyles @ 2,5
Gobert @ 21,2
Hood @ 2,4
Neto @ 1
Bolomboy @ 0,9

This makes for a total commited salary of 96,7 million. With cap holds for our draft picks next summer, this will rise to just about an even 100 million. This means that we will have around 22 million to split between Hill and Ingles if we want to retain them, and that Diaw, Mack and Withey are gone.

Can we get Hill & Ingles to sign for a combined $22 million? I severly doubt it, but it should be possible to dump Joe Johnson together with some cash and a draft pick, so it is absolutely doable to retain our core while remaining under the tax threshold next season.

30.6 isn't accurate. formula is different. Without googling or doing the math to get a baseline estimate myself, I'd say the starting salary is closer to 28.5

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

30.6 isn't accurate. formula is different. Without googling or doing the math to get a baseline estimate myself, I'd say the starting salary is closer to 28.5

Premise is still good though. The math and roster spots says our team will have some changes/turnover if we retain Hill, Hayward, and Ingles... which I think we do. I think Ingles is somewhere between 6-10 per year... Hill if healthy gets 20ish. Moving one of Dante/JJ/Burks would likely get us where we need to be. I said when we acquired Hill that if we re-signed him it would mean Burks was out... With Hood and Ingles I think we are fine at SG. Hoping our pick plus AB moves us up the draft.

 

[BTP]

Premise is still good though. The math and roster spots says our team will have some changes/turnover if we retain Hill, Hayward, and Ingles... which I think we do. I think Ingles is somewhere between 6-10 per year... Hill if healthy gets 20ish. Moving one of Dante/JJ/Burks would likely get us where we need to be. I said when we acquired Hill that if we re-signed him it would mean Burks was out... With Hood and Ingles I think we are fine at SG. Hoping our pick plus AB moves us up the draft.

I really like Johnson. He's such a clutch player. Having him late in games can be so important especially when you don't have a traditional superstar that getts BS calls as frequent as ppl change their underwear.
The Jazz have Ingles bird rights after 3 years. His cap hold should be pretty low in case that's relevant somehow and you can still sign him afterwards. I think though that Jingles could get a huge offer elsewhere. If you pay him $10M annually, you're going to hurt your chances to win and retain everybody. On top of that I hope the Clippers and Memphis struggle so we can separate ourselves comfortably from those teams and give Burks as much exposure as possible and score a good first round pick leading up to the draft.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I really like Johnson. He's such a clutch player. Having him late in games can be so important especially when you don't have a traditional superstar that getts BS calls as frequent as ppl change their underwear.
The Jazz have Ingles bird rights after 3 years. His cap hold should be pretty low in case that's relevant somehow and you can still sign him afterwards. I think though that Jingles could get a huge offer elsewhere. If you pay him $10M annually, you're going to hurt your chances to win and retain everybody. On top of that I hope the Clippers and Memphis struggle so we can separate ourselves comfortably from those teams and give Burks as much exposure as possible and score a good first round pick leading up to the draft.

Ingles is also restricted so we can control that... I really think teams will have a hard time understanding how good he is because of his look and how he gets things done out there. Hopefully depresses his value a bit.

 

[BTP]

Ingles is also restricted so we can control that... I really think teams will have a hard time understanding how good he is because of his look and how he gets things done out there. Hopefully depresses his value a bit.

I do not think a 46% 3 point shooter shooting 3 times a game, playing hard and just below average defense who on top of that is a creative passer, can get overlooked nowadays. It's more likely that ppl will overlook the hidden value of one-dimensional slashers. The more versatile his teammates are the more looks he'll get.
Before the Jazz picked him up from the waiver list, he was on the Clippers for the '14 preseason. Doc Rivers would kill to have the opportunity to play Ingles over Luc-Richard Mbah a Airball.
Since the contract he signed with the Clippers that the Jazz picked picked up, expired and '15 and he signed a new 2 year deal back then, he should be unrestricetd.