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fishonjazz said:
Plus burks has a much improved 3 point point shot and i think he is a better passer, rebounder, and more dynamic scorer than hood and puts lots of pressure on the defense and gets to the line.

I think we will be fine.
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Agree, but Burks plays pretty poor defence compared to Hood...hopefully his offence will offset it.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah 46% shooting w/ 36% from deep, poor shooting. Not to mention 85% from FT line. Just awful.

As far as defense, he has a positive DBPM and is 10th in DRPM.

ESPN ranks him as 11th in usage rate among SF's. Nothing too much, he has a usage rate you would expect from a guy who is the clear cut 2nd best player on his team.

But he isnt from Eastern Europe, so I get why you hate him. Last time you probably watched him was probably in Toronto where he wasnt very good.
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lol, how about you look at his career numbers and what kind of impact Gay has on team overall. See how Toronto record changed after trading Gay for scrubs for example. And if you think he some how magically changed the way he plays you are being delusional.
 
MVP said:
lol, how about you look at his career numbers and what kind of impact Gay has on team overall. See how Toronto record changed after trading Gay for scrubs for example. And if you think he some how magically changed the way he plays you are being delusional.
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Different player now and asking him to play a different role.

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I for one am very glad for Hood that it wasn't an ACL or MCL tear. I am sure that Dante was convinced that was the case and thinking how terrible his experience was. Hood is a player I think I will cheer for throughout his entire career. He is quiet, confident, and smooth. Many players in the league are cocky, greedy, and thugs. Hood represents to me how a professional athlete should carry himself during a game. The antics that most players have around the refs just aren't there to be seen. Lunch Paid Hood.

So, thanks to the injury God's who blessed his knee with the appropriate twist to NOT do major damage. Any injury sucks. But some are season ending and run deep into 2018 play. Rodney Hood... coming soon.
 
I don't think there's any doubt Rudy Gay would help the Jazz (as long as he doesn't think he's the key guy on the team -- at this stage of his career, I think that's a pretty safe assumption). But I don't think there's any way the Jazz are getting the Kings to lose their minds and ship him for 40 cents on the dollar -- at the very least not until right before the trade deadline.
 
MVP said:
lol, how about you look at his career numbers and what kind of impact Gay has on team overall. See how Toronto record changed after trading Gay for scrubs for example. And if you think he some how magically changed the way he plays you are being delusional.
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And just because team improved when he got traded away doesnt make him a bad player. Utah traded Kanter to OKC and got better, and Kanter has OKC a better team. Gay was just a bad fit alongside an ISO heavy player and he got caught up in the Raptors system of "Taking Turns Isoing". You yourself have even been critical of the Raptors philosophy, but you feel comfortable blaming Rudy Gay for operating how the team obviously wanted to play? Seems unfair. In Sacramento he has taken a secondary role and scaled back his usage and attempts. His assist have gone up and he has experienced good 3pt shooting years. He has done all this in a toxic environment and stayed relatively positive, which is incredible.

And I will repeat, I'm not talking about giving up a ton of players for him. I'm just saying Joe Johnson (who is more of an ISO heavy player than Gay ever was, and continues to be) and a late 1st round draft pick or two.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And just because team improved when he got traded away doesnt make him a bad player. Utah traded Kanter to OKC and got better, and Kanter has OKC a better team. Gay was just a bad fit alongside an ISO heavy player and he got caught up in the Raptors system of "Taking Turns Isoing". You yourself have even been critical of the Raptors philosophy, but you feel comfortable blaming Rudy Gay for operating how the team obviously wanted to play? Seems unfair. In Sacramento he has taken a secondary role and scaled back his usage and attempts. His assist have gone up and he has experienced good 3pt shooting years. He has done all this in a toxic environment and stayed relatively positive, which is incredible.

And I will repeat, I'm not talking about giving up a ton of players for him. I'm just saying Joe Johnson (who is more of an ISO heavy player than Gay ever was, and continues to be) and a late 1st round draft pick or two.
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I like Rudy, but he'd take an additional step back with regard to his role here. I think he is undervalued and the narrative has gone too far, but wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him. iirc he does not like playing the four and I don't think he's quite at the JJ stage in his career where a bench role would be viewed as acceptable.

It certainly is not the worst trade idea floated around here and he has the physical tools to be devastating in a small ball type of role, but I think the mental makeup is just not there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I like Rudy, but he'd take an additional step back with regard to his role here. I think he is undervalued and the narrative has gone too far, but wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him. iirc he does not like playing the four and I don't think he's quite at the JJ stage in his career where a bench role would be viewed as acceptable.

It certainly is not the worst trade idea floated around here and he has the physical tools to be devastating in a small ball type of role, but I think the mental makeup is just not there.
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You wouldn't even give up 1 first rounder? If you can do Joe Johnson and a single 1st rounder that seems like a no-brainer to me. Even two first, if one of them is the GSW pick, seems like a good deal.
 
MVP said:
I doubt he matured to the point where he would accept being a role player on the Jazz. Maybe on GSW or Cavs... but on the Jazz he would think he is the best player.
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Because you are his psychiatrist? JJ had never been a backup before signing with Utah. Maybe Gay would love to escape the nut house that is Sacramento and go to a team that will make the playoffs.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You wouldn't even give up 1 first rounder? If you can do Joe Johnson and a single 1st rounder that seems like a no-brainer to me. Even two first, if one of them is the GSW pick, seems like a good deal.
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If we were just looking at on court I think a first is a no-brainer, but it'd be the GSW first for me. He's also a rental as he is opting out after this year.

I think JJ does a lot for the youth of our franchise... plays a decent role as well. I think giving him up for a guy who's not had the best attitude (albeit in a ****ty environment) would be a mistake. Would also be a douchey thing to do to JJ... we haven't done fantastic in FA... this matters a little bit to me as well.

Adding all that up and it would be a no for me. I get it though.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If we were just looking at on court I think a first is a no-brainer, but it'd be the GSW first for me. He's also a rental as he is opting out after this year.

I think JJ does a lot for the youth of our franchise... plays a decent role as well. I think giving him up for a guy who's not had the best attitude (albeit in a ****ty environment) would be a mistake. Would also be a douchey thing to do to JJ... we haven't done fantastic in FA... this matters a little bit to me as well.

Adding all that up and it would be a no for me. I get it though.
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I like JJ too, sometimes, but he is also the least enjoyable player to watch when he isnt on fire or has some kind of ridiculous mismatch in the post. He also struggles to defend anyone. And he is under contract for 11 million next year, which isnt great. IDK what we could do w/ freeing that cap space up, but it might allow us to re-sign Ingles next year. So trading for Gay in this scenario would be getting Gay and assuring the re-signing of Ingles. Certainly framing it that way probably changes a lot of people's minds.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I like JJ too, sometimes, but he is also the least enjoyable player to watch when he isnt on fire or has some kind of ridiculous mismatch in the post. He also struggles to defend anyone. And he is under contract for 11 million next year, which isnt great. IDK what we could do w/ freeing that cap space up, but it might allow us to re-sign Ingles next year. So trading for Gay in this scenario would be getting Gay and assuring the re-signing of Ingles. Certainly framing it that way probably changes a lot of people's minds.
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As long as he's healthy I think we could move that salary next year, but it isn't ideal. I just think the locker room difference between Gay and JJ would be too much of a difference to justify midseason I guess.

We likely have to decide between Ingles and JJ this offseason. I think everyone would like to keep Ingles around. Hopefully we don't have to send an asset with JJ if we need to move him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
As long as he's healthy I think we could move that salary next year, but it isn't ideal. I just think the locker room difference between Gay and JJ would be too much of a difference to justify midseason I guess.

We likely have to decide between Ingles and JJ this offseason. I think everyone would like to keep Ingles around. Hopefully we don't have to send an asset with JJ if we need to move him.
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Why not between Ingles and Diaw? What are my off-the-cuff calculations not accounting for?
 
NAOS said:
Why not between Ingles and Diaw? What are my off-the-cuff calculations not accounting for?
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Diaw is gone.

I'm figuring on Hill at 20M, Hayward 26M, and retaining Favors, Burks, Exum... so no trades.

Ingles makes close to or over 10 per year if he keeps throwing darts and shutting down superstars. Just think it will be a lot of salary and we likely give some rotation wing minutes to the rookies we bring in... didn't tally it all up though.

I don't count on us going far over the tax and think we won't touch luxury tax but some think I'm insane.
 
fishonjazz said:
They will be fine.
Hood was having a kind of bad year anyway. His field goal percentage (41) and three point percentage (35) and free throw percentage (74) and free throw attempts per game (2.0), and assists per game (2.0), and points per game (14.0) and minute per game (29.3) are all down from last year.

He has kind of quietly been having a bad season and no one has really been talking about his poor play all that much. Mostly we have criticized mack, lyles, favors, and Diaw but hood has mostly avoided criticism since I think we all believe he has hay been in a slump and he has had some really good games to make us forget his bad ones.

Gobert, hill, and Hayward (along with different guys stepping up here and there) have been carrying us and will continue to do so.

Plus burks has a much improved 3 point point shot and i think he is a better passer, rebounder, and more dynamic scorer than hood and puts lots of pressure on the defense and gets to the line.

I think we will be fine.
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Totally agree. I think this is a quiet white elephant in the corner of the room that Hood's been so inconsistent and while his good games are amazing, he has plenty of indifferent ones. Maybe it's been his health but there's a chance Burks is a more consistent 3 point shooter .. will be interesting to see how the 2 spot pans out over the next year or so
 
Absent a true no-brainer deal we get Ingles and Burks more time and just roll with that for now. Honestly, Ingles might be the best fit of any the Hood, Burks, JJ with the starters.

I have a hard time saying an injury is a good thing, but more joe Ingles is never a bad thing... just a conundrum for me.
 
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