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houston's plan b?

Here in Houston here is my general sense of what the fans want:

-Kevin Martin gone- everyone thinks he gave up last season and McHale hates him
-Curious to see if Lin and Asik can live up to their contracts
-Lamb, Motiejunas and Royce White are potential stars
-Patterson is available
-Marcus Morris is really, really available
-T. Jones has not been noticed by the general fan base
-Every one is still stunned that Scola is gone for nothing.

Everyone is expecting a really bad season and hoping for a great draft pick

If we were willing to take Kevin Martin we probably could get a draft pick Marcus Morris or Patterson or T. Jones or Motiejunas. I believe Lamb and White are off limits.

So if we make a trade with Houston it probably has to be a 3 team deal.

Out of their young players I like T. Jones and Lamb. I would take a chance on Royce White figuring out how to shoot at the right price.
 
Atlanta was also developing a plan to get Howard by clearing Johnson's salary off the books. That is most likely now a pipe dream for them. There is some merit now on Jefferson to Atlanta I think, as they have hinted at wanting to play the smaller Horford at PF for a long time. If Big Al gets traded I think it will surely be to Houston or Atlanta.
 
I would have thought with Howard now with the Lakers, KOC would be more inclined to keep Jefferson around to bulk up our front court if we want to be competitive in the West (it's his conservative style).
 
Qman said:
Here in Houston here is my general sense of what the fans want:

-Kevin Martin gone- everyone thinks he gave up last season and McHale hates him
-Curious to see if Lin and Asik can live up to their contracts
-Lamb, Motiejunas and Royce White are potential stars
-Patterson is available
-Marcus Morris is really, really available
-T. Jones has not been noticed by the general fan base
-Every one is still stunned that Scola is gone for nothing.

Everyone is expecting a really bad season and hoping for a great draft pick

If we were willing to take Kevin Martin we probably could get a draft pick Marcus Morris or Patterson or T. Jones or Motiejunas. I believe Lamb and White are off limits.

So if we make a trade with Houston it probably has to be a 3 team deal.

Out of their young players I like T. Jones and Lamb. I would take a chance on Royce White figuring out how to shoot at the right price.
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Interesting.

Considering how the jazz are presently constituted, I'd rather have TJones than White.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Atlanta was also developing a plan to get Howard by clearing Johnson's salary off the books. That is most likely now a pipe dream for them. There is some merit now on Jefferson to Atlanta I think, as they have hinted at wanting to play the smaller Horford at PF for a long time. If Big Al gets traded I think it will surely be to Houston or Atlanta.
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Even though Milwaukee signed The Vanilla Gorilla, they are also pretty thin up front.
 
i'd probably rather have jones than white, too. i want nothing to do with martin, though. that's why i thought to pull in toronto, a team that has more PGs than it needs and nobody who does what kevin martin does.

not sure how atlanta works as a trade partner. i don't remember them as having tons of assets, other than cap flexibility.
 
NAOS said:
Interesting.

Considering how the jazz are presently constituted, I'd rather have TJones than White.
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I'd rather have White then Jones but I would be fine with getting TJones back.

i'd probably rather have jones than white, too. i want nothing to do with martin, though. that's why i thought to pull in toronto, a team that has more PGs than it needs and nobody who does what kevin martin does.

not sure how atlanta works as a trade partner. i don't remember them as having tons of assets, other than cap flexibility.
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I agree. I don't want to risk it and take any serious money after this year. Around the trade deadline we will be contacted by every team trying to shed any sort of salary. Vet mins and rookie contracts are acceptable. Anything else would have to include something nice, in fact very nice, in return for taking on any sort of salary.
 
Jazz can win it all this year, I have a feeling!
at the very least, give this team a chance to show what they are capable of, then try to build up!
 
In watching the Houston Summer League games I noticed the following things:

Lamb is natural scoring guard. Great range and can finish around the hoop. He is going to struggle getting around screens and playing defense against stronger players.

White is good rebounder, great passer and good ball-handler. The down side is his jump shot reminds me of Chuck Hayes.

Terrence Jones played very well in every phase of the game. He rebounded aggressively, played good help D, showed an advanced face-up game and was consistent in his ability to get to the hoop/line. He isn't a star player but he looks like a good NBA player. I think in time he will have NBA 3 point range. He reminds me of the good parts of Al Harrington game.

Motiejunas is the Euro big man version of CJ Miles. He has size and physical tools and great skills. He is physically weak and inconsistent. I don't want him under any circumstances. Based on his long term inconsistency in the European leagues I think he lacks the mental toughness necessary for NBA stardom.

So in summary, I T. Jones as good rotation player. I wonder if White will ever be able to shoot well enough to matter. Lamb is some physical maturity and veteran defensive tricks away from being a NBA starter. I think Motiejunas will be talented tease who guts teams.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I didn't do my research but I figured after clearing out every single decent player they had other than Martin, they were way under the cap and a returning Rocket wouldn't be necessary.
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if i remember right, they have some cap room if they start renouncing rights, but they have so many unsigned draft picks that they'll probably have to operate as an at-the-cap team when it comes to trades. so they can take 150% + 100K... which means they'd need to ship about 10M of salary somewhere.
 
was just looking for info on houston's cap holds and tradable assets and found this on ESPN's offseason grades. it's insider content, so someone yell at me if i'm posting too much of it.

Every summer, GM Daryl Morey goes all out in an attempt to lasso a star. And every summer, he falls just short.

Two years ago, he made a strong pitch to Chris Bosh. In December, Morey almost landed Pau Gasol, only to see commissioner David Stern crush his hopes. He then went to Plan B, Marc Gasol, only to have his efforts thwarted by the Grizzlies. This year, Morey is chasing Dwight Howard like a dog chases a squirrel. He might catch him eventually, but his huge collection of middling assets hasn't been enough to persuade the Magic to pull the trigger on a trade ... yet.
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obviously he struck out on dwight, but what those couple of paragraphs made me think is that al would be the perfect target for morey. he has something to show the fan base for all the asset-stockpiling and the letting scola go and all that... but he still has flexibility to swing at the free agent class next year. you have to think he's sitting down with his people figuring out the next step... let's just hope the jazz are interested when he calls.
 
Jefferson isn't getting traded. The whole off-season was based on getting shooters to complement him.
Besides, he's an expiring contract. A team like Houston isn't going to build around him for one season. His value would be to a contender - if a big gets hurt - or to a team wanting to dump salaries for next summer.
 
MoTown16 said:
Jefferson isn't getting traded. The whole off-season was based on getting shooters to complement him.
Besides, he's an expiring contract. A team like Houston isn't going to build around him for one season. His value would be to a contender - if a big gets hurt - or to a team wanting to dump salaries for next summer.
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um... read what i just wrote. that's EXACTLY his value to houston. they can have him for a yr so they don't come away with nothing, and then they hve the option of resigning him or of trying at the class of 2013 free agents.
 
theNBAnerd said:
um... read what i just wrote. that's EXACTLY his value to houston. they can have him for a yr so they don't come away with nothing, and then they hve the option of resigning him or of trying at the class of 2013 free agents.
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Why would they trade away good prospects or picks to get him for a year? It's not like they're going to the playoffs. They have the option of bidding for him as a FA in 2013 just like every other team. Sure, there's a bit of an advantage to having his rights (5-yr contract vs. 4), but not enough to warrant giving up good assets.
 
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