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NUMBERICA said:
They did for all of the reasons mentioned. They're not mutually exclusive. If it was as simple as you say, they wouldn't have structured the contracts the way they did.
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The Jazz can waive all 3 of them and they still don't have money to sign a big name player, even if they renounce X and Favors. So I don't think it was for the reason I quoted Ron on.
 
I love this team!

I don’t see any of the unguranteed guys as must keeps. If you find a trade that helps us long term on draft night I’d move them. I see Thabo as most likely to stay. Not sure he can give us what he did last year pre injury but if he can he’s worth every dime.

I’d love to sign Bjelica to a one plus one deal but he may get better offers. I’d like to clear a roster spot or two for a couple chances at finding another Royce or for a good second round prospect.

I think we make a few changes around the fringes but won’t be sad if we essentially run it back. We can win 55ish games with decent health.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Jazz can waive all 3 of them and they still don't have money to sign a big name player, even if they renounce X and Favors. So I don't think it was for the reason I quoted Ron on.
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That would put us at about 75 million.

Gobert 23.4
Rubio 14.9
Ingles 13
AB 11.5
Crowder 7.3
Mitchell 3.1
Bradley 1.6

~26 million is enough to sign a big name. Plus it would be feasible to get rid of Burks and clear up 11.5 more million.
 
Ron Mexico said:
That would put us at about 75 million.

Gobert 23.4
Rubio 14.9
Ingles 13
AB 11.5
Crowder 7.3
Mitchell 3.1
Bradley 1.6

~26 million is enough to sign a big name. Plus it would be feasible to get rid of Burks and clear up 11.5 more million.
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We would still have cap holds for a first round pick. Royce's salary would need to be added, plus cap holds for 2 more roster spots. We end up with a little less than $20M.

Any plan for space needs to start with AB being moved for no salary imo. If that happens you can settle Dante's contract early and go from there.
 
Ron Mexico said:
That would put us at about 75 million.

Gobert 23.4
Rubio 14.9
Ingles 13
AB 11.5
Crowder 7.3
Mitchell 3.1
Bradley 1.6

~26 million is enough to sign a big name. Plus it would be feasible to get rid of Burks and clear up 11.5 more million.
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Oneal at 1.4, the 21st pick at 2.1, and 3 minimum roster charges at 2.4
 
Here is the deal with cap space this year. We can get there if we get a commitment from someone, but all the restricted guys that I want will get matched (Aaron Gordon), and other guys can likely be had in a sign and trade if we want (jabari). PG ain't walking through that door.

There will be quite a few guys available for the MLE and we can likely handle a one year salary dump if we get draft assets or young guys by using the Jonas and Ekpe contracts.

Maintain flexibility and maximize all the contract assets we can and see what FA holds and which teams blow it up.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We would still have cap holds for a first round pick. Royce's salary would need to be added, plus cap holds for 2 more roster spots. We end up with a little less than $20M.

Any plan for space needs to start with AB being moved for no salary imo. If that happens you can settle Dante's contract early and go from there.
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That is true. Royce's option will be picked up. But that was not known when we signed these guys. So we could pick up 4 min contract guys to fill the roster out which is 3.2 mil leaving us with 22 million, obviously we dont have to keep our 1st round pick if we didnt want to. I am almost positive that Exum will be retained along with Royce.

If we actually see a big name FA that will come here AB will have to be traded based on contract situations that have changed since last off season. Much more likely is we trade for someone outright or a sign and trade situation.

But thats not the point, the point I made is that the team wanted flexibilty to make moves this off season if an opportunity presented itself. That is what Lindsey said when he signed these guys last off season. Age might have been a factor for their contract but not as much as flexibilty. They were not big enough names to warrant tying our hands for multiple years. But if we didnt have a shot at someone then we could retain guys they liked. Sef played very very well this year and I expect him back unless we land a really good FA that is a starter level or better player.
 
Next years UFAs Middleton, Harris, Niko, Love (he likely opts out if healthy) aren't guys that likely put you over the top by themselves. We need to get comfortable with the fact that we likely have to have another good homerun in the draft, Exum needs to be healthy and take a leap, or we have to find a young guy that is undervalued or used wrong and steal him.
 
Ron Mexico said:
That is true. Royce's option will be picked up. But that was not known when we signed these guys. So we could pick up 4 min contract guys to fill the roster out which is 3.2 mil leaving us with 22 million, obviously we dont have to keep our 1st round pick if we didnt want to. I am almost positive that Exum will be retained along with Royce.

If we actually see a big name FA that will come here AB will have to be traded based on contract situations that have changed since last off season. Much more likely is we trade for someone outright or a sign and trade situation.

But thats not the point, the point I made is that the team wanted flexibilty to make moves this off season if an opportunity presented itself. That is what Lindsey said when he signed these guys last off season. Age might have been a factor for their contract but not as much as flexibilty. They were not big enough names to warrant tying our hands for multiple years. But if we didnt have a shot at someone then we could retain guys they liked. Sef played very very well this year and I expect him back unless we land a really good FA that is a starter level or better player.
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Not keeping your first round pick only saves 1.2 million. If you dont have a 12 man roster, you are charged with a 800k cap hold for every spot it takes to get to 12.
 
Ron Mexico said:
That is true. Royce's option will be picked up. But that was not known when we signed these guys. So we could pick up 4 min contract guys to fill the roster out which is 3.2 mil leaving us with 22 million, obviously we dont have to keep our 1st round pick if we didnt want to. I am almost positive that Exum will be retained along with Royce.

If we actually see a big name FA that will come here AB will have to be traded based on contract situations that have changed since last off season. Much more likely is we trade for someone outright or a sign and trade situation.

But thats not the point, the point I made is that the team wanted flexibilty to make moves this off season if an opportunity presented itself. That is what Lindsey said when he signed these guys last off season. Age might have been a factor for their contract but not as much as flexibilty. They were not big enough names to warrant tying our hands for multiple years. But if we didnt have a shot at someone then we could retain guys they liked. Sef played very very well this year and I expect him back unless we land a really good FA that is a starter level or better player.
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I think that flexibility more likely comes via trade because of how those contracts are setup.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Not keeping your first round pick only saves 1.2 million. If you dont have a 12 man roster, you are charged with a 800k cap hold for every spot it takes to get to 12.
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That is true but again if it allows us to land a big FA they would have done it. Royce is not guaranteed as well. We went out of our way to make this roster flexible. We will most likely continue to do that for next year as well assuming we dont make a big move this year.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Next years UFAs Middleton, Harris, Niko, Love (he likely opts out if healthy) aren't guys that likely put you over the top by themselves. We need to get comfortable with the fact that we likely have to have another good homerun in the draft, Exum needs to be healthy and take a leap, or we have to find a young guy that is undervalued or used wrong and steal him.
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Exum needs to stay healthy and take about three leaps to become a guy you build around, rather than a guy you use to build around others (I'm frankly not convinced he's even that at this stage, still hoping and waiting to be wrong on that).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think that flexibility more likely comes via trade because of how those contracts are setup.
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I agree that is part of the reason for their contracts. Especially the way the dates are for picking up their options.

I think had these guys all been younger the contracts would have been the same. We did not want to tie ourselves down unless it was a really impactful player. Although I think Sef became that impactful this year and will most likely be retained unless a bigger move comes along.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Exum needs to stay healthy and take about three leaps to become a guy you build around, rather than a guy you use to build around others (I'm frankly not convinced he's even that at this stage, still hoping and waiting to be wrong on that).
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Not sure on Exum, but the positional flexibility, the fact that he can get separation and create, and the defense intrigue me. I think he could figure one or two things out and it will look like 3 leaps.

I don't think he is a "building block", but he's someone I want to keep around and see for sure. If we got him on a value deal I think he's also a great trade asset to get that more complete building block we are looking for.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not sure on Exum, but the positional flexibility, the fact that he can get separation and create, and the defense intrigue me. I think he could figure one or two things out and it will look like 3 leaps.

I don't think he is a "building block", but he's someone I want to keep around and see for sure. If we got him on a value deal I think he's also a great trade asset to get that more complete building block we are looking for.
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I can see that. He just doesn't seem very talented at basketball to me. His touch and consistency around the basket are suspect, seems like he just throws the ball around the rim and it goes in enough. He has an AK handle, is not ready to play the point as his vision isn't great and is a threat to commit catastrophic turnovers whenever he tries to make a play. I hold my breath every time he tries to do something, honestly.

I'm going to try to be more positive in the thread I made about trying to be more positive. The physical tools are there, just... the rest, I am not so sure. And honestly, I'm not sure about the physical tools since he misses a lot of time due to injury (when do we get to say he's injury prone? I think the hamstring injury says more than it might on first appearance, considering that it's ANOTHER non-contact injury).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Dan Clayton also put together a cap calculator specifically for the Jazz does all the math

http://saltcityhoops.com/2018capcalculator/
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This is sick. Thanks.

If the Jazz roll with:
-Gobert
-Ingles
-Rubio
-Burks
-Crowder
-Mitchell
-Bradley
-O'Neal
-Their 1st rounder
-placeholder cap holds
(note: Exum and Favors are not on here)

  • They have $20 million in cap space. Who can you get with that?
  • If you attach Bradley and a 2nd to Burks, can you offload him without taking back salary? That is pretty much a max contract slot.
 
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