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NUMBERICA said:
This is sick. Thanks.

If the Jazz roll with:
-Gobert
-Ingles
-Rubio
-Burks
-Crowder
-Mitchell
-Bradley
-O'Neal
-Their 1st rounder
-placeholder cap holds
(note: Exum and Favors are not on here)

  • They have $20 million in cap space. Who can you get with that?
  • If you attach Bradley and a 2nd to Burks, can you offload him without taking back salary? That is pretty much a max contract slot.
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Wait, so if we renounce Favors and Exum, we have 20M?

Which means if we dumped Burks to some team like the Kings for nothing, we’d have 32M?
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Wait, so if we renounce Favors and Exum, we have 20M?

Which means if we dumped Burks to some team like the Kings for nothing, we’d have 32M?
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Those guys, and every other player that the Jazz can just release (Jonas, Sef, Udoh, Neto).

~$32M, yeah.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
Those guys, and every other player that the Jazz can just release (Jonas, Sef, Udoh, Neto).

~$32M, yeah.
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If Aaron Gordon was unrestricted I’d send DM down to Florida with the checkbook and tell him to bring him back.

If PG would seriously consider us I’d be all over that.

Outside of that I don’t see that guy. We could get Parker in a sign and trade if we really wanted. I’m not a fan.

That’s why it’s more prudent to hang back. Find bargain deals this summer then go for a bigger fish next summer. More unrestricted FAs I’m interested in... many of them are gettable imo.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
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If Aaron Gordon was unrestricted I’d send DM down to Florida with the checkbook and tell him to bring him back.

If PG would seriously consider us I’d be all over that.

Outside of that I don’t see that guy. We could get Parker in a sign and trade if we really wanted. I’m not a fan.

That’s why it’s more prudent to hang back. Find bargain deals this summer then go for a bigger fish next summer. More unrestricted FAs I’m interested in... many of them are gettable imo.
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Respond to my other thread, dawg.

I am down with the plan of using cap flexibility this offseason to collect more assets/dice to roll, but when Mitchell's rookie contract is up, cap flexibility - let alone cap SPACE - is no longer a thing.

I'm starting to eye 2020 as the time to really go all-in on free agency (when I THINK Mitchell's next deal comes up, it also gives the Jazz the ability to absorb more toxic contracts that expire at that point [i.e. Noah]).
 
NUMBERICA said:
Respond to my other thread, dawg.

I am down with the plan of using cap flexibility this offseason to collect more assets/dice to roll, but when Mitchell's rookie contract is up, cap flexibility - let alone cap SPACE - is no longer a thing.

I'm starting to eye 2020 as the time to really go all-in on free agency (when I THINK Mitchell's next deal comes up, it also gives the Jazz the ability to absorb more toxic contracts that expire at that point [i.e. Noah]).
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I think you start looking hard in 2019. If you don't hit then 2020 might be the best chance left. Haven't looked that far ahead.

I don't think anyone is giving a huge premium to get off of money like Noah's. I know some keep saying NY will send #9 for relief... they won't. I'm fairly certain of this. I don't have time to argue why... I just think it is highly unlikely.

I still think we get a guy like Middleton (who could have a Big3 like impact) or Harris or Niko. We can add another decent scoring two way player to our Big (whatever #) because Rudy doesn't need the ball.

IMO we need to focus on finding another pick in the 20s or 30s and get another chance at finding that guy in the draft.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think you start looking hard in 2019. If you don't hit then 2020 might be the best chance left. Haven't looked that far ahead.

I don't think anyone is giving a huge premium to get off of money like Noah's. I know some keep saying NY will send #9 for relief... they won't. I'm fairly certain of this. I don't have time to argue why... I just think it is highly unlikely.

I still think we get a guy like Middleton (who could have a Big3 like impact) or Harris or Niko. We can add another decent scoring two way player to our Big (whatever #) because Rudy doesn't need the ball.

IMO we need to focus on finding another pick in the 20s or 30s and get another chance at finding that guy in the draft.
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So that's another thing: your idea of nabbing Marv also fits into the 2020 thing as I'm pretty sure he expires in 2020.
 
NUMBERICA said:
So that's another thing: your idea of nabbing Marv also fits into the 2020 thing as I'm pretty sure he expires in 2020.
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Yeah and we could do some other things to clear the space needed fairly easily in 2019 if we tricked a team into a deal.

I don’t see a need to move up to 11 though. I was high on miles bridges, but there are other guys I think are more intriguing.

I like KBD (or the idea of him as a 4). I think we could slide up to 15 pretty easily if we wanted without using 2019 space.

Like say we think he’s the guy... we can do unguaranteed contracts and 21 for 15 and gortat. It’s an overpay imo, but we could get there if DL declares it so... Denver would likely do the same thing to dump faried... so 14 would be our range. They’d likely hesitate but they need to dump salary.
 
NUMBERICA said:
So that's another thing: your idea of nabbing Marv also fits into the 2020 thing as I'm pretty sure he expires in 2020.
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Also I don’t think it will play well with Kemba and the fans to use the 11 just to shed salary... so my guess is it’s have to be crowder for Marv and a pick swap. That way they can point and say we needed this guy... while saving 7M each year for the next 2 years.
 
Douchebag K said:
What does anyone think Aaron Gordon will do that Favors can't ??
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He can make plays with the ball on the perimeter (rudimentary, but any positive value > 0), he's significantly younger, we don't know if Gordon's deficiencies are a product of that environment (vs this one, and we know what Favors is in this environment), and Gordon started working on his three much, much, much earlier.
 
Douchebag K said:
What does anyone think Aaron Gordon will do that Favors can't ??
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Hit 39% of his catch and shoot threes, play good perimeter defense (Favs is okay but against true stretch fours he isn't ideal), provide some playmaking...

I don't know. He could be great in the right role with some development... he could also be a guy who does cool dunks that is over-rated.

I'm not big on acquiring him given the cost, but that's the idea.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He can make plays with the ball on the perimeter (rudimentary, but any positive value > 0), he's significantly younger, we don't know if Gordon's deficiencies are a product of that environment (vs this one, and we know what Favors is in this environment), and Gordon started working on his three much, much, much earlier.
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understood I just think what you'd have to pay him isn't going to be anywhere near worth any difference between the two considering what we might only have to pay fav. Him as our third 20 mil player doesn't move my meter at all unless he's got a massive jump which i don't see
 
Douchebag K said:
understood I just think what you'd have to pay him isn't going to be anywhere near worth any difference between the two considering what we might only have to pay fav. Him as our third 20 mil player doesn't move my meter at all unless he's got a massive jump which i don't see
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I'm not certain of the ceiling or the rate that his growth occurs, but improvement seems a lock to me. But today, with half the experience and four years younger, I think Aaron Gordon is a better basketball player and better fit. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect improvement.

And at 40% on catch-and-shoot threes + straight-line drive ability, he's plenty good for this circumstance.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm not certain of the ceiling or the rate that his growth occurs, but improvement seems a lock to me. But today, with half the experience and four years younger, I think Aaron Gordon is a better basketball player and better fit. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect improvement.

And at 40% on catch-and-shoot threes + straight-line drive ability, he's plenty good for this circumstance.
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sure, and athletically he's unreal. Up to what price are you comfortable ?
 
Douchebag K said:
sure, and athletically he's unreal. Up to what price are you comfortable ?
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It isn't even the contract... its the acquisition cost imo.

I'd rather we let Orlando re-sign him then realize they need a full rebuild and we can trade for him in season. Say he comes out of the gate slow and they struggle... price goes down and we might be able to get it done for like Exum, 2019 pick, and AB.
 
After giving it much thought, I do not want to give Gordon or Jabari or anybody a max deal. More max deals are regretted than valuable.

I would rather roll with Favors, Thabo and Hezonja for $25 than one guy who will have such a high bar...

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LoPo said:
After givong it much thought, I do not want to give Gordon or Jabari or anybody a max deal. More max deals are regretted than valuable.
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Off of rookie deals? I feel basically the opposite. Porter obviously is a pretty extreme case, however.
 
I just don't want to be a 3 max team because I don't want to evolve into being a MLE option only team. Gobert is a max player and Mitchell will be one before we know it. Ingles and Rubio combine to be a max deal.

I'm not 100% sold that Gordon or anybody else this year in free agency is worth shedding all those guys now and losing good guys in the future due to cap restraints. I would rather swing for less than $10 million types.

Sure, if we could get Kawhi or Klay, definitely. But signing a max based on potential scares me.

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