How did Exum look last night?

[TheStormofWar]

Wtf are you on about “a sneeze away from missing due to back spasms” ?

You obviously haven’t been watching him throw himself at the rim without fear and getting up and sprinting back down. Name one lame soft tissue injury he’s had ?

I’m on board the Ricky train but which of the two is out with a strain type injury atm ??

Exum is injury prone. I love his potential and he's playing more without the trepidation. But his injury history must be taken into account.

 

[Spinoza]

I love it when we point to historically worst PER ever after Exum's first season some people quickly dismiss it as "PER is useless stat". Yet here we see PER used after few games to tell that Exum is great? There is no question kid looks much better - but the sample is very limited. How about we let him have at least 30-40 games and then talk how good or bad he is.

Thanks for reminding me of this. There used to be some fans here who repeatedly claimed Exum's low PER in his earliest days were somehow predictive of his long-term success. And no matter how many times they were explained the stupidity of this argument, they held firmly to this belief. Obviously it still annoys me a bit.

 

[hgb]

I don't want Rubio to walk after next year, but I also don't want to pay him anything near his current salary. He is a good player, but paying a PG his style and would be age anything more than $12 per could hamper us. Think matchups - if Exum is our starting PG, what role does Rubio play? Do we pay him $12+ just if Exum gets hurt? We cant bring him in to spread the floor. And his athleticism will soon be on the decline.

This summer with Favors and next with Rubio are going to be interesting.

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WTF? If you can extent Ricky for, say, 3 years at 12M, you do that and run smiling into the sunset. I want Ricky to stay. Ricky, DM, Exum backcourt is a nightmare for everyone else.

 

[hgb]

Exum is injury prone. I love his potential and he's playing more without the trepidation. But his injury history must be taken into account.

Exum isn't injury prone. He's been injured twice in his career. Both where unfortuately bad injuries, but has he even missed a single game outside of those two (I think maybe he has, but it's at most a handful)? And he's looking great to boot. Dante's a part of our future.

 

[gregbroncs]

Exum is injury prone. I love his potential and he's playing more without the trepidation. But his injury history must be taken into account.

The knee is scary. But the shoulder injury was a fluke and that does not = injury prone.

 

[MVP]

Lets put it this way. I would not call him injury prone - but the way he lands on the floor almost every time he drives is certainly concerning and can make him prone to injuries. Some people just have awesome coordination and some not. Exum is lanky, goofy, awkward dude and even with gained strength he ends up laying on the floor almost every time there is any contact on his drive or layup attempts. It is worrisome to me.

 

[RRJazz]

I don't want Rubio to walk after next year, but I also don't want to pay him anything near his current salary. He is a good player, but paying a PG his style and would be age anything more than $12 per could hamper us. Think matchups - if Exum is our starting PG, what role does Rubio play? Do we pay him $12+ just if Exum gets hurt? We cant bring him in to spread the floor. And his athleticism will soon be on the decline.

This summer with Favors and next with Rubio are going to be interesting.

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I'm glad you are not our GM. That whole paragraph is just wow.
What's wrong with his "style"? You don't like the man-bun? Because his basketball style looks great to me.
Would be age? Is he 33? He's 27!!
If Exum is our starting PG? If? Rubio would play only if Exum gets hurt? WTF?
We cant bring him in to spread the floor? WTF? You know that guy Joe Ingles? He's shooting 44% from 3 in 2018. Rubio is shooting 41% (and made 10 of his last 15).
His athleticism will soon be on the decline? On the decline? Soon!!!??? 27 YEARS OLD. Also, how many players on the league rely LESS on athleticism?

Mitchell Rubio and Exum can share minutes. All 3 are absolutely interchangeable.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

Exum is a sneeze away from missing the playoffs due to back spasms.

For a second you made me wonder if X was having some sort of injury issue. So in reality, you're just BSing because he had a knee injury, and then because he had a freak accident injury, the latter of which in no way suggests being "injury prone"? Get out.

 

[Knowledgeofmine]

I'm glad you are not our GM. That whole paragraph is just wow.
What's wrong with his "style"? You don't like the man-bun? Because his basketball style looks great to me.
Would be age? Is he 33? He's 27!!
If Exum is our starting PG? If? Rubio would play only if Exum gets hurt? WTF?
We cant bring him in to spread the floor? WTF? You know that guy Joe Ingles? He's shooting 44% from 3 in 2018. Rubio is shooting 41% (and 10 of his last 15).
His athleticism will soon be on the decline? On the decline? Soon!!!??? 27 YEARS OLD. Also, how many players on the league rely LESS on his athleticism?

Mitchell Rubio and Exum can share minutes. All 3 are absolutely interchangeable.

Agree, LOPO is basketball clueless. Another non American who only gets to watch games in replay or at 7am.lmao

 

[TheStormofWar]

To clarify, in nearly four seasons, he's missed one whole season and most of the current due to injuries of some sort. For other players, this classifies them as injury prone. Why this doesn't apply to Exum, I have no idea. Granted, knee and shoulder are far apart biologically speaking, but it is what it is. That's nearly 50% of the possible games he could have played in.

For the record, I hope the Jazz re-sign him and I hope he has a long and productive career. But call a spade a spade. That's my last comment on this.

 

[radiohegel]

To clarify, in nearly four seasons, he's missed one whole season and most of the current due to injuries of some sort. For other players, this classifies them as injury prone. Why this doesn't apply to Exum, I have no idea. Granted, knee and shoulder are far apart biologically speaking, but it is what it is. That's nearly 50% of the possible games he could have played in.

For the record, I hope the Jazz re-sign him and I hope he has a long and productive career. But call a spade a spade. That's my last comment on this.

The term injury prone suggests a certain level of accountability on the part of a player. I think that warrants having multiple injuries that result at least partially from the player's play style, or some issue with their body. Exum has had one injury that might contribute towards a declaration of injury prone-ness (the knee). His shoulder injury, however, was 100% out of his control, and entirely the result of TJ Warren being a reckless *******.

There is a line between being injury prone and having had back luck, and it's important to consider the difference when evaluating a player.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

To clarify, in nearly four seasons, he's missed one whole season and most of the current due to injuries of some sort. For other players, this classifies them as injury prone. Why this doesn't apply to Exum, I have no idea. Granted, knee and shoulder are far apart biologically speaking, but it is what it is. That's nearly 50% of the possible games he could have played in.

For the record, I hope the Jazz re-sign him and I hope he has a long and productive career. But call a spade a spade. That's my last comment on this.

I think of injury prone as a guy like Kyrie where every season he misses 20 games... can range to the chandler parsons injury proneness where he has catastrophic knee injuries that take his career. Or the Rodney hood type where they can’t stay on the floor for 10-15 games in a row:

I think Dante has had bad luck... both injuries were contact injuries. His rookie year he played all 82 games... last year he was healthy. He has missed a lot of games but I don’t think he’s made of glass.

It will factor into the equation for sure but I would be much more leery of guys like Parker where it’s a reoccurring injury. I think stephs injury issues were much more serious because it was a flawed body part.

Dante needs to get a little stronger and get more court time to learn how to better protect himself but I think he will have a healthy productive career.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I’d consider Jabari Parker and Steph Curry injury prone before I’d consider Exum injury prone. I think Dante’s body is SO much further along than it was after his rookie year when he hurt the knee.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Dante needs to learn to go hard to the basket without hitting the deck. I’ll feel a lot better about his risk for potential injuries being minimized when he masters that skill. It’s on tape. I’m sure Quin will focus on that this summer.

 

[Siro]

I think of injury prone as a guy like Kyrie where every season he misses 20 games... can range to the chandler parsons injury proneness where he has catastrophic knee injuries that take his career. Or the Rodney hood type where they can’t stay on the floor for 10-15 games in a row:

I think Dante has had bad luck... both injuries were contact injuries. His rookie year he played all 82 games... last year he was healthy. He has missed a lot of games but I don’t think he’s made of glass.

It will factor into the equation for sure but I would be much more leery of guys like Parker where it’s a reoccurring injury. I think stephs injury issues were much more serious because it was a flawed body part.

Dante needs to get a little stronger and get more court time to learn how to better protect himself but I think he will have a healthy productive career.

Exum's ACL was a contact injury?

 

[MVP]

Exum's ACL was a contact injury?

For sure not. Just typical awkward, out of control landing.

 

[Siro]

For sure not. Just typical awkward, out of control landing.

Ya, obviously not. I wouldn't say he's injury prone, since we have a sample of just 1 (the shoulder thing was a freak occurrence). He's also been really durable in the other two seasons. But it is not true that both injuries were on contact.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

To clarify, in nearly four seasons, he's missed one whole season and most of the current due to injuries of some sort. For other players, this classifies them as injury prone. Why this doesn't apply to Exum, I have no idea. Granted, knee and shoulder are far apart biologically speaking, but it is what it is. That's nearly 50% of the possible games he could have played in.

For the record, I hope the Jazz re-sign him and I hope he has a long and productive career. But call a spade a spade. That's my last comment on this.

I think it has all been explained. Some people are trying to determine the risk of future injury when saying he is injury prone. you are kind of just using the definition of what has happened. Both are accurate depending on how you are defining the term. They are just saying slightly different things. I think the most accurate way to say it is that Exum has been injured a lot, but may not be especially injury prone in the future because of the context of the types of injuries he's had.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I'm glad you are not our GM. That whole paragraph is just wow.
What's wrong with his "style"? You don't like the man-bun? Because his basketball style looks great to me.
Would be age? Is he 33? He's 27!!
If Exum is our starting PG? If? Rubio would play only if Exum gets hurt? WTF?
We cant bring him in to spread the floor? WTF? You know that guy Joe Ingles? He's shooting 44% from 3 in 2018. Rubio is shooting 41% (and made 10 of his last 15).
His athleticism will soon be on the decline? On the decline? Soon!!!??? 27 YEARS OLD. Also, how many players on the league rely LESS on athleticism?

Mitchell Rubio and Exum can share minutes. All 3 are absolutely interchangeable.

I'm not sure if the contracts are going to make sense moving forward. It could work from a basketball point of view since all 3 guys are performing well over the last stretch. Exum is going to want to be a starter and probably deserves a chance for a bigger role moving forward (Assuming his recent level is his new normal, or he makes more improvements as a young player). Ricky is also a starting level player and probably wants to stay that way for the next 4-5 seasons at least. Donovan is obviously going to start for the duration of his time here unless something crazy happens. You have to take player happiness into account a little bit in something like this. I don't think Rubio or Exum would be ok with being bench players for the next 4 years.

So the problem ends up becoming an issue of asset allocation at some point where maybe Exum has a 10-15 Million per year deal, and is playing at a similar level to Rubio. Do the Jazz weant to pay for Rubio or do they want to try to fill another hole with a premium FA (like a stretch 4, or a great scorer off the bench)? Do they think Exum might get even better as he gains experience and be a 35-38 MPG player for them? In that case it doesn't make a ton of sense to keep Rubio.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Exum's ACL was a contact injury?

No not really... I just remember there being traffic... meant more in a sense of he was trying to make a strenuous play. Not like Curry where he makes a routine cut with no one around and his ankle gives. Just think there isn't anything structurally wrong that would indicate an issue. His ACL and shoulder injuries could have happened to anyone under similar stress.