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How many points Hayward will average this season?

How many points Hayward will average in this season?

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Cyrone, you now officially my favorite poster on this website. I only seen common sense and intelligence from you not diluted with homerism... thumbs up!
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Because Hayward will be an all-star at some point.
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He will never be an all star. He is not better shooter then Hornacek and no better rebounder then Harpring and neither one was all-star. How you expect Hayward to become one is beyond my understanding. He might become a decent role player/starter in NBA but All-Star? Sorry not going to happen.
 
AKMVP said:
He will never be an all star. He is not better shooter then Hornacek and no better rebounder then Harpring and neither one was all-star. How you expect Hayward to become one is beyond my understanding. He might become a decent role player/starter in NBA but All-Star? Sorry not going to happen.
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I can easily see Hayward getting 15 because he scores in several ways. He can drive, curl off screens, spot up, and finish fast breaks. Hayward isn't always able to create his own shot, but he is in no way a one dimensional scorer. Hayward will get his if given the opportunity.

Aside from that he's a pretty savvy defender and seems to be a team player. I wouldn't pencil him in for All-NBA but there's no reason he couldn't make some All-Star games in his career.

Also His rookie shooting #s are substantially better than Hornacec's rookie #s.
 
Brown Notes said:
I can easily see Hayward getting 15 because he scores in several ways. He can drive, curl off screens, spot up, and finish fast breaks. Hayward isn't always able to create his own shot, but he is in no way a one dimensional scorer. Hayward will get his if given the opportunity.

Aside from that he's a pretty savvy defender and seems to be a team player. I wouldn't pencil him in for All-NBA but there's no reason he couldn't make some All-Star games in his career.

Also His rookie shooting #s are substantially better than Hornacec's rookie #s.
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I could possibly see Hayward making the All-Star game 1-3 times if there happens to be a down year in wing production while Hayward is in his prime.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Because his game isn't dominant. To be a STAR you have to have a dominant game. He is a spot-up shooter who has the ability to go off the bounce and the IQ to use his strengths to benefit others. He is a glue guy. Hopefully he will turn out to be a really good glue guy (Mike Miller).

I like Hayward as much as the next reasonably intelligent member of Jazzfanz does, but he isn't the 2nd coming of Larry Bird. Also, people want to act like Hayward is a kind of PG stuck in a SF's body. The kid has never averaged over 2 APG in his career. He also isn't that great of rebounder for being 6'8. He only got 4.1 per 36 minutes last year. This guy is going to have to work hard to be as good as Miker Miller was. Let's focus on him becoming a legitimate starter before becoming a star.
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So he didn't average over 2 APG in his first and only year. Nice basis for judgement. I personally thought he showed great court awareness and the ability to run the offense ala Odom, and I hope Corbin gives him that chance.
 
AKMVP said:
He will never be an all star. He is not better shooter then Hornacek and no better rebounder then Harpring and neither one was all-star. How you expect Hayward to become one is beyond my understanding. He might become a decent role player/starter in NBA but All-Star? Sorry not going to happen.
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I enjoy how you use the word "never" when were talking about a player who has just finished his first season, and a player who statistically played better than both of they players you mentioned in their respective rookie careers.

Take your absurd Hayward-hate elsewhere, preferably to a forum for the team that AK currently plays for

PS Jeff Hornacek was an All-Star in 1991 you ****ing maroon. And work on your grammar.
 
For the record, I slotted him at 12-15. I don't feel like this is the season where he will explode, but I can see myself being wrong. Im sort of expecting a small bump statistically for most of our youth, with nothing too exaggerated. Like I don't think Favors will go past 16 PPG. There guys are just sophomores. Im expecting Hayward to have a Wesley Matthews type season at the absolute best.
 
dalamon said:
I enjoy how you use the word "never" when were talking about a player who has just finished his first season, and a player who statistically played better than both of they players you mentioned in their respective rookie careers.

PS Jeff Hornacek was an All-Star in 1991 you ****ing maroon. :DAnd work on your grammar.
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Oh really? So you trying to teach me grammar and called me maroon??? what a tool....

this is box score from 1991 ALL star game... Hornacek is not there. So that is one false claim. Harpring had better stats then Hayward in his rookie year ( 8.2pts, 4.3reb vs 5.4 and 1.9) - make that two. Who is maroon here:)? ROFL... Must be cold in Deadmonton huh? thats why you are so grumpy?

East
Glossary ▪ CSV ▪ PRE
Starters Tm MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Michael Jordan CHI 36:00 10 25 .400 0 2 .000 6 7 .857 3 2 5 5 2 0 10 2 26
Charles Barkley PHI 35:00 7 15 .467 0 0 3 6 .500 8 14 22 4 1 1 3 5 17
Patrick Ewing NYK 30:00 8 10 .800 0 0 2 2 1.000 2 8 10 0 1 4 2 5 18
Bernard King WSB 26:00 2 8 .250 0 0 4 4 1.000 2 1 3 3 0 1 1 1 8
Joe Dumars DET 15:00 1 4 .250 0 1 .000 0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 4 1 2
Reserves Tm MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Dominique Wilkins ATL 22:00 3 11 .273 0 2 .000 6 8 .750 3 0 3 4 1 1 2 2 12
Ricky Pierce MIL 19:00 4 8 .500 0 0 1 1 1.000 0 2 2 2 0 0 2 2 9
Hersey Hawkins PHI 14:00 3 5 .600 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 6
Kevin McHale BOS 14:00 0 3 .000 0 1 .000 2 2 1.000 1 2 3 2 1 0 0 2 2
Brad Daugherty CLE 12:00 3 7 .429 0 0 2 3 .667 3 2 5 1 0 0 0 3 8
Alvin Robertson MIL 12:00 2 4 .500 0 0 2 2 1.000 0 2 2 0 0 0 3 0 6
Robert Parish BOS 5:00 1 2 .500 0 0 0 0 1 3 4 0 0 0 1 2 2
Team Totals 240 44 102 .431 0 7 .000 28 35 .800 24 37 61 23 6 7 29 26 116
West
Glossary ▪ CSV ▪ PRE
Starters Tm MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Karl Malone UTA 31:00 6 11 .545 0 0 4 6 .667 4 7 11 4 1 1 3 1 16
Magic Johnson LAL 28:00 7 16 .438 2 5 .400 0 0 1 3 4 3 0 0 3 1 16
Chris Mullin GSW 24:00 4 8 .500 1 1 1.000 4 4 1.000 0 2 2 2 2 0 2 2 13
Kevin Johnson PHO 23:00 2 5 .400 0 0 1 2 .500 1 1 2 7 3 1 3 2 5
David Robinson SAS 18:00 6 13 .462 0 0 4 5 .800 3 3 6 0 2 3 2 5 16
Reserves Tm MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
James Worthy LAL 21:00 3 11 .273 0 0 3 4 .750 0 2 2 0 2 1 0 2 9
Clyde Drexler POR 19:00 4 9 .444 0 0 4 4 1.000 2 2 4 2 1 1 0 3 12
Kevin Duckworth POR 19:00 2 3 .667 0 0 2 2 1.000 2 2 4 0 1 0 2 3 6
Tom Chambers PHO 18:00 4 11 .364 0 1 .000 0 0 2 2 4 1 1 0 4 3 8
Terry Porter POR 15:00 2 6 .333 0 2 .000 0 0 1 2 3 4 2 1 3 2 4
Tim Hardaway GSW 12:00 2 7 .286 1 2 .500 0 0 2 1 3 4 2 0 0 1 5
John Stockton UTA 12:00 1 6 .167 0 1 .000 2 4 .500 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 2 4
Team Totals 240 43 106 .406 4 12 .333 24 31 .774 18 28 46 29 17 8 22 27 114
 
Horny was an All-Star in 1991. How many minutes per game did Harpring average his rookie season? I am just trying to get a fair comparison.
 
OK, I did a little research on my own. Harpring came into the league in a lockout shortened season. Harpring played in 50 games, started 22 games and averaged 22.3 minutes per game.

Hayward played in 72 games, started 17 of them and averaged 16.9 minutes per game.

Overall, I don't know if this is an apples to apples comparison.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Because his game isn't dominant. To be a STAR you have to have a dominant game. He is a spot-up shooter who has the ability to go off the bounce and the IQ to use his strengths to benefit others. He is a glue guy. Hopefully he will turn out to be a really good glue guy (Mike Miller).

I like Hayward as much as the next reasonably intelligent member of Jazzfanz does, but he isn't the 2nd coming of Larry Bird. Also, people want to act like Hayward is a kind of PG stuck in a SF's body. The kid has never averaged over 2 APG in his career. He also isn't that great of rebounder for being 6'8. He only got 4.1 per 36 minutes last year. This guy is going to have to work hard to be as good as Miker Miller was. Let's focus on him becoming a legitimate starter before becoming a star.
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so you didn't watch the Lakers or the Nuggets game? He couldn't have been more dominating in those games.
 
AKMVP said:
Oh really? So you trying to teach me grammar and called me maroon??? what a tool....

this is box score from 1991 ALL star game... Hornacek is not there. So that is one false claim. Harpring had better stats then Hayward in his rookie year ( 8.2pts, 4.3reb vs 5.4 and 1.9) - make that two. Who is maroon here:)? ROFL... Must be cold in Deadmonton huh? thats why you are so grumpy?

East
Glossary ▪ CSV ▪ PRE
Starters Tm MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Michael Jordan CHI 36:00 10 25 .400 0 2 .000 6 7 .857 3 2 5 5 2 0 10 2 26
Charles Barkley PHI 35:00 7 15 .467 0 0 3 6 .500 8 14 22 4 1 1 3 5 17
Patrick Ewing NYK 30:00 8 10 .800 0 0 2 2 1.000 2 8 10 0 1 4 2 5 18
Bernard King WSB 26:00 2 8 .250 0 0 4 4 1.000 2 1 3 3 0 1 1 1 8
Joe Dumars DET 15:00 1 4 .250 0 1 .000 0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 4 1 2
Reserves Tm MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Dominique Wilkins ATL 22:00 3 11 .273 0 2 .000 6 8 .750 3 0 3 4 1 1 2 2 12
Ricky Pierce MIL 19:00 4 8 .500 0 0 1 1 1.000 0 2 2 2 0 0 2 2 9
Hersey Hawkins PHI 14:00 3 5 .600 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 6
Kevin McHale BOS 14:00 0 3 .000 0 1 .000 2 2 1.000 1 2 3 2 1 0 0 2 2
Brad Daugherty CLE 12:00 3 7 .429 0 0 2 3 .667 3 2 5 1 0 0 0 3 8
Alvin Robertson MIL 12:00 2 4 .500 0 0 2 2 1.000 0 2 2 0 0 0 3 0 6
Robert Parish BOS 5:00 1 2 .500 0 0 0 0 1 3 4 0 0 0 1 2 2
Team Totals 240 44 102 .431 0 7 .000 28 35 .800 24 37 61 23 6 7 29 26 116
West
Glossary ▪ CSV ▪ PRE
Starters Tm MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Karl Malone UTA 31:00 6 11 .545 0 0 4 6 .667 4 7 11 4 1 1 3 1 16
Magic Johnson LAL 28:00 7 16 .438 2 5 .400 0 0 1 3 4 3 0 0 3 1 16
Chris Mullin GSW 24:00 4 8 .500 1 1 1.000 4 4 1.000 0 2 2 2 2 0 2 2 13
Kevin Johnson PHO 23:00 2 5 .400 0 0 1 2 .500 1 1 2 7 3 1 3 2 5
David Robinson SAS 18:00 6 13 .462 0 0 4 5 .800 3 3 6 0 2 3 2 5 16
Reserves Tm MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
James Worthy LAL 21:00 3 11 .273 0 0 3 4 .750 0 2 2 0 2 1 0 2 9
Clyde Drexler POR 19:00 4 9 .444 0 0 4 4 1.000 2 2 4 2 1 1 0 3 12
Kevin Duckworth POR 19:00 2 3 .667 0 0 2 2 1.000 2 2 4 0 1 0 2 3 6
Tom Chambers PHO 18:00 4 11 .364 0 1 .000 0 0 2 2 4 1 1 0 4 3 8
Terry Porter POR 15:00 2 6 .333 0 2 .000 0 0 1 2 3 4 2 1 3 2 4
Tim Hardaway GSW 12:00 2 7 .286 1 2 .500 0 0 2 1 3 4 2 0 0 1 5
John Stockton UTA 12:00 1 6 .167 0 1 .000 2 4 .500 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 2 4
Team Totals 240 43 106 .406 4 12 .333 24 31 .774 18 28 46 29 17 8 22 27 114
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So he is an All-Star. Doesn't matter if he didn't play, he was still voted on the All-Star game. You're logic is unbelievably childish, but then again I really shouldn't be expecting any more from you.

Compare their last 3 months. Again, I mentioned this in another thread. If we look at Haywards entire season, it is unimpressive. However, if we look at the last couple of his months of play, he excels Harpring and Hornacek. Nice try, you lose yet again.

FYI the spelling of maroon was intended. Its an expression made famous by Looney Tunes(link attached below), and the spelling is in fact correct; don't blame me for your lack of cultural knowledge. Way to make yourself look like a maroon by trying and correcting me. Better luck next time. You're probably still a bit light-headed from always bending down to suck AK's *****.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo
 
LogGrad98 said:
So he didn't average over 2 APG in his first and only year. Nice basis for judgement. I personally thought he showed great court awareness and the ability to run the offense ala Odom, and I hope Corbin gives him that chance.
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I was including his 2 years at Butler. Not saying he isn't a good passer, but he won't be able to run an offense efficiently.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I was including his 2 years at Butler. Not saying he isn't a good passer, but he won't be able to run an offense efficiently.
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I didn't know he was asked to run the offense at Butler.

I see what you mean, no one ever becomes better at anything in the NBA, they are all exactly the player that came out of college.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I didn't know he was asked to run the offense at Butler.

I see what you mean, no one ever becomes better at anything in the NBA, they are all exactly the player that came out of college.
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You are putting words in my mouth. I never said he won't or hasn't become a better passer. I just don't think he is someone who can run an offense like other posters think.
 
dalamon said:
Compare their last 3 months. :mad: Again, I mentioned this in another thread. If we look at Haywards entire season, it is unimpressive. However, if we look at the last couple of his months of play, he excels Harpring and Hornacek. Nice try, you lose yet again.
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LMAO, I did not lose anything to you you delusional homer! So I am childish, lol but you not at sticking to those last three month instead of looking at all season? Give me a break.... you can't erase first part of the season where he plain sucked!!! Good at least you not as blind as the Hayward worshiper who thinks two games vs Lakers and Nuggets makes Hayward a future all star.
Let me ask you one last question... If Hayward would be playing for Kings and had similar stats and end of the season, would you still proclaim him the "star" you
think he is going to be? Be honest!
 
AKMVP said:
LMAO, I did not lose anything to you you delusional homer! So I am childish, lol but you not at sticking to those last three month instead of looking at all season? Give me a break.... you can't erase first part of the season where he plain sucked!!! Good at least you not as blind as the Hayward worshiper who thinks two games vs Lakers and Nuggets makes Hayward a future all star.
Let me ask you one last question... If Hayward would be playing for Kings and had similar stats and end of the season, would you still proclaim him the "star" you
think he is going to be? Be honest!
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You absolutely can judge Gordon heavily on what he did at the end of the season. There is no logical reason you can't. Why should we judge Gordon when he didnt have the ball in his hands, had a different coach, and completely different team since Deron was there as opposed to what he did most recently with our current roster and coach?

Wes was good pretty much from the start as a rookie but he didnt become really good until the second half of the year and more importantly the very end of the season. The Blazers didnt give him that great deal based on his overall play they gave him his huge deal based on what he was doing at the very end of the year.
 
LjJazzman said:
You absolutely can judge Gordon heavily on what he did at the end of the season. There is no logical reason you can't. Why should we judge Gordon when he didnt have the ball in his hands, had a different coach, and completely different team since Deron was there as opposed to what he did most recently with our current roster and coach?

Wes was good pretty much from the start as a rookie but he didnt become really good until the second half of the year and more importantly the very end of the season. The Blazers didnt give him that great deal based on his overall play they gave him his huge deal based on what he was doing at the very end of the year.
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Thank you. Holy ****, the guy doesn't get it. HAYWARD IS A ****ING ROOKIE, the last few months DO matter. I fail to understand how this has not clicked with you yet.
 
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