All I remember about his 34 point game is that Denver's defensive effort was laughable at best. Yes, the end of the season matters, but it can also be misleading for fans that expect him to pickup from were he left off right away.
How many points Hayward will average this season?
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Not for the last quarter.....game went completely down to the wire. Nuggets gave a spirited effort from half way through the third and on.
Stifle Tower
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Very good points. I also picked 12-15. This team is very deep. I think Hayward will average around 30 mins/per, but Favors will be scoring more, Al and Paul will each be around 20 pts. again. And like you said, his efficiency was off the charts. I don't see him shooting 48% on his 3's (and well over 50% after the all-star break). What I hope to see is more assists and continued improvement on the defensive end.
Stifle Tower
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Every time I think I've found the worst post ever by AKMVP, he outdoes himself. Yep, you definitely have to assume a rookie doesn't improve over the course of a season.
So let me give you two sets of stats and tell me which player is more likely to succeed in the NBA
Player A: 26 mins/per, FG = 45%, FG3 = 25%, 10.6 pts/per, 5 rbds, 1 assist, 1.9 blks.
Player B: 17 mins/per FG = 49%, FG3 = 47%, 5.4 pts/per, 2 rbds, 1 assist. .3 blks.
I'd say it's pretty even. Scoring difference is based on shot attempts as Player B has a much better percentage, especially from 3-PT range. Player A is a better rebounder and a good shot-blocker.
OK, so you've probably guessed Player A is Kirilenko in his rookie year and Player B is Hayward. Of course, AK improved greatly over his next few seasons. And Hayward won't.
MVP
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Dude, you could tell from the day one AK was special - thats why he was selected to ALL NBA rookie team. Hayward will never be as good as AK. As I said - good role/complimentary player. Not ALL-star, not All NBA team of any kind.
MVP
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It does mater but not to the point to proclaim him freaking star! You are so blinded by Haywardism you can't accept simple facts - Jazz were out of playoffs, they did not had their best players available, coach was experimenting, other teams did not care with few games left in the season - those few good games Hayward had at the end mean nothing in the big picture. Would be completely different if AK was not injured and Jazz would be fighting for playoffs. Now he had no pressure to win, he knew his minutes where there no matter the mistakes so he got relaxed and performed better, lets see how he does when games matter and he will have to prove he is worth big minutes....Enough is enough... we beating dead horse here, we will have new season to discuss about it and see who is right.
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If 3 of the 5 Players that AK beat out for the 5th final spot on the ALL NBA First Rookie Team were Vladmir Radmanovic, Željko Rebrača, Jamaal Tinsley, and Eddie Griffin then perhaps this ALL NBA first rookie team award of that year isn't as exactly prestigious as you think.
PS: Andrei Kirilenko never made any three of the ALL-NBA teams.
MVP
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Epic fail. You did not know who drafted him and now you saying he never made to ALL NBA defensive team ? Plus as I already said - he made it to ALL NBA rookie team. That counts as ALL NBA team of any kind as well.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I didn't need just the end of the season to think he could be a star. I saw it in him in preseason last year.
MVP
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Of course anything AK achieved is not prestigious, ROFL... good one, good one...I am just waiting to see what more ridiculous excuses you will find....Maybe you can somehow explain why such a great rookie ( according to you) Hayward did not beat Wesley Johnson, Paul George or Eric Bledsoe at least for "extremely prestigious" second 2011 NBA all rookie team award lol?
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Haha nope, I stand by my statement. Andrei Kirilenko has never made any of the three (aka the first, second, or the third) ALL-NBA teams. Take some reading comprehension courses. Point out to me where in this article Andre Kirilenko is mentioned, at any point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team
Don't worry, Ill keep waiting.
MVP
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lol, what a tool... you should take reading comprehension courses yourself. Who was talking about first, second or third ALL-NBA team??? Try harder.
MVP
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Some people see some weird things. Does not mean they exist.
billyshelby
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I love Hayward's longterm potential, but he's still putting his game together. I don't expect huge jumps from him this year. He'll probably do what he did last year -- mix solid games with invisible games and toss in the occasional gem. Year 3 is when I expect Hayward come into his own.
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I was talking about the first second and third teams the entire time lol. Perhaps I should dumb things down a bit for you, since your intellect is failing you. You said that Hayward will never bee an "ALL-NBA player". I said neither has Kirilenko, he never made any 3 of the teams. I know exactly what I was talking about. I was not referring to the defensive or rookie teams, since those ARE NOT ALL-NBA teams. They are called the All-Defensive Team, and the All-Rookie Team. NOT ALL-NBA. Sorry AKMVP, you've been outdone by a "tool" yet again.
Heres definition for you, from wikipedia:
Again, I ask you: Has AK ever made one of these three teams?? Because BY DEFINITION, this is what the ALL-NBA team is. Your definition of an ALL-NBA team is absolutely incorrect, if you're including the rookie team and the defensive team into the mix.
MVP
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Stone cold fact is AK made NBA-ALL rookie team and NBA-ALL first and second defensive teams. Hayward still in the race, true...as well as Kurt Thomas still is, lol.
MVP
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Rookie_Team
So ALL-NBA or NBA-ALL is a huge difference? I do not see much.