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How much should we be talking about Donovan?

Handlogten's Heros said:
I think open three point shooting can swing in a small sample. I trust his form and his FT shooting is solid. I think the open spot up shooting will move closer to the 40% he was last year... or high 30s.

His scoring ceiling will be dictated by his ability to develop the off the dribble three. He can get it whenever he wants right now and if defenses have to take it away he will be able to punish them.

If he got to the line a bit more his efficiency would improve and he’d be less susceptible to the big swings.

If his playmaking improves he along with those things he’d be an mvp candidate type... if he could be the pg we need it opens up what we can put around him.

Lots of ifs but I don’t think they are completely unreachable. Unlikely to figure out all three but that’s the type of thing that would need to happen for us to get to championship level... unless we land another all star caliber player.
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I agree for the most part with this, he doesn't even need to be a full time PG but he just needs to be able to do it for stretches of a game. Only thing I'd disagree with is the off the dribble 3 being the offensive ceiling, to me he's more of an inside-out player where his offensive ceiling will be based around how effective he is in the paint and at the rim (which includes getting to the FT line) and his 3pt shot is there to compliment his ability to attack the paint that rather than an outside-in player like Curry where he's so great of a 3pt shooter that the immediate threat for Curry defensively is to take away his three, and he gets to the rim to keep defenses honest and compliment his shooting.
str8line said:
His tight looks 3 pt percentage went from 32.3% to 16.1%? That must be because last year he had a consistent elevation to his shot. Maybe it's that he can't rise like he could last year.
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Could honestly be a big reason why if he's still banged up. I think he really needs the ASB to get himself together a bit.
 
If we're talking about efficiency how much should TO avg. play into things? Dante is pretty good with the ball.
 
str8line said:
If we're talking about efficiency how much should TO avg. play into things? Dante is pretty good with the ball.
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Exum's PPP using the same formula I calculated Mitchell's on is 0.9443 [273 / (225 - 14 + 42 + (0.44 x 82))] so he actually goes up because of his ability to get to the FT line and his low TOs when it comes to PPS vs PPP which isn't really what you would expect from a guard. Typically big men see a bump when it comes to PPP because they're not turning it over as much since they don't control the ball all that often and they're finishing more possessions with shots rather than assists, so that's a credit to Exum's ability to get to the line and look after the ball.

Rubio plummets all the way down to 0.8236 PPP [470 / (422 - 13 + 115 + (0.44 x106))] compared to his 0.9 PPS, but again it's absolutely worth noting that PPP doesn't include assists which is Rubio's main strength
 
Sandman822 said:
Exum's PPP using the same formula I calculated Mitchell's on is 0.9443 [273 / (225 - 14 + 42 + (0.44 x 82))] so he actually goes up because of his ability to get to the FT line and his low TOs when it comes to PPS vs PPP which isn't really what you would expect from a guard. Typically big men see a bump when it comes to PPP because they're not turning it over as much since they don't control the ball all that often and they're finishing more possessions with shots rather than assists, so that's a credit to Exum's ability to get to the line and look after the ball.

Rubio plummets all the way down to 0.8236 PPP [470 / (422 - 13 + 115 + (0.44 x106))] compared to his 0.9 PPS, but again it's absolutely worth noting that PPP doesn't include assists which is Rubio's main strength
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Great info Sandman.
 
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Sandman822 said:
I'm more concerned about Mitchell shooting 32% on wide open 3s (defender further than 6ft away) than I am about his questionable shots where he drives into 2 or more defenders and forces up a shot to be honest.
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....well, neither one is good. If you can't hit a decent percentage of wide open 3's, then you shouldn't be taking them or keep them to a minimum! But there is absolutely NO excuse for constantly driving to the basket with 2 guys draped all over you and forcing up a shot that has little, if any chance of going in! Both could be classified as "forcing shots" and that's never a good thing! We don't have to concern ourselves about offensive rebounds......IF we are taking good shots to begin with....because there will be NO NEED for an offensive rebound! If this kid doesn't come around and start playing better basketball, we are going to continue losing games we should be winning. He certainly has the potential to do better. Let's hope he's getting the message from his coaches!
 
Well we should all know that Donovan was never really a good shooter, not in college either. I'm of course not saying he won't improve in the NBA. but there's a precedence thus far.
 
Dali said:
Well we should all know that Donovan was never really a good shooter, not in college either. I'm of course not saying he won't improve in the NBA. but there's a precedence thus far.
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Well, he sure was hot and stayed hot a number of games during his rookie year! What happened this year? I'm clueless!
 
carolinajazz said:
Well, he sure was hot and stayed hot a number of games during his rookie year! What happened this year? I'm clueless!
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It just means that it is safe to say that Donovan himself is a victim of his own standards he set when he was hot last year.
 
The Suns announcers just had some damning words for Mitchell, in the Suns v Sixers game.
 
Jazz said:
What did they say
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Suns announcer: 'Donovan Mitchell is taking 18 shots a game for Utah, and he's shooting 40%. So what would you rather have, a guy that thinks he can shoot, or a guy that understand he cant, yet he's still shooting 58%, and he's passing the ball for 8 assists on the team and getting 9 rebounds.'

This is obviously referring to Ben Simmons, as well.
 
Dali said:
Suns announcer: 'Donovan Mitchell is taking 18 shots a game for Utah, and he's shooting 40%. So what would you rather have, a guy that thinks he can shoot, or a guy that understand he cant, yet he's still shooting 58%, and he's passing the ball for 8 assists on the team and getting 9 rebounds.'

This is obviously referring to Ben Simmons, as well.
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So many people are hating on Donovan and it’s so unwarranted. He needs Jazz fans to support him by time. I’m tired of the hate tbh. Dons a great kid, and he’s going through some growing pains as a young NBA star. So many are all over him. He deserves much more time.
 
oneye said:
So many people are hating on Donovan and it’s so unwarranted. He needs Jazz fans to support him by time. I’m tired of the hate tbh. Dons a great kid, and he’s going through some growing pains as a young NBA star. So many are all over him. He deserves much more time.
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I think you need to separate hate and criticism. Are there some on this board that hate him? Maybe. however, Jazz fans want him to succeed. And the criticisms are absolutely warranted and nobody should be immune to them. And of course he needs time.

Also, will people stop with the star prefix I don't believe he's earned that just yet.
 
Dali said:
I think you need to separate hate and criticism. Are there some on this board that hate him? Maybe. however, Jazz fans want him to succeed. And the criticisms are absolutely warranted and nobody should be immune to them. And of course he needs time.

Also, will people stop with the star prefix I don't believe he's earned that just yet.
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He’s earned the star prefix. He has a signature shoe, beat OKC in the playoffs, won the dunk contest, and is very well known. He is a star.

I’m not talking about this board so much as I am social media. I feel like he’s taking some unfair venom spit his way by fans of other teams when he’s really a very good kid. It’s fine to say he needs to improve some things. Calling him an inefficient chucker, @ him, saying he’s a bust or the next Wiggins or Tyreke Evans, things like that are just too much, and he’s getting a ton of it from maybe not Jazz fans, but NBA fans. It’s olay to say he needs to make better decisions or shoot better shots. Some of the other stuff is too much. He has plenty of time to right this ship and there’s plenty of twitter folks that have plenty of dumb takes on him right now for sure.
 
Dali said:
I think you need to separate hate and criticism. Are there some on this board that hate him? Maybe. however, Jazz fans want him to succeed. And the criticisms are absolutely warranted and nobody should be immune to them. And of course he needs time.

Also, will people stop with the star prefix I don't believe he's earned that just yet.
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Yeah Donovan isn't a star your right. The announcer has some valid points. Ben Simmons is a star. I think everyone knows Simmons is better than Donovan even if they don't want to say it. Honestly Donovan is an inefficient player right that's all I can say about him. But he's young so we'll see.
 
oneye said:
He’s earned the star prefix. He has a signature shoe, beat OKC in the playoffs, won the dunk contest, and is very well known. He is a star.

I’m not talking about this board so much as I am social media. I feel like he’s taking some unfair venom spit his way by fans of other teams when he’s really a very good kid. It’s fine to say he needs to improve some things. Calling him an inefficient chucker, @ him, saying he’s a bust or the next Wiggins or Tyreke Evans, things like that are just too much, and he’s getting a ton of it from maybe not Jazz fans, but NBA fans. It’s olay to say he needs to make better decisions or shoot better shots. Some of the other stuff is too much. He has plenty of time to right this ship and there’s plenty of twitter folks that have plenty of dumb takes on him right now for sure.
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Shoe deals and dunk contests do not fool me.

For me personally you have to at least have a consistent level of very good to great play to be a star. This is over many seasons also. One season where he was still somewhat inefficient is not a star. I think a lot of people jumped too early.
 
Donovan is in a slump; no question. But it really is related to his summer of not being able to do much intense basketball duty because of the boot, and his large tour of the world. He clearly is not as quick or explosive this year, which results in a high rate of his shots being blocked, missed layups, and timing issues. He is slowly improving and no longer looks like he's out of shape out there. I even believe his shot will come back. Unfortunately, his drop in overall effectiveness is the reason the Jazz are mediocre. The Jazz, as constructed, need him to be a star and he just isn't right now.
 
Dali said:
Shoe deals and dunk contests do not fool me.

For me personally you have to at least have a consistent level of very good to great play to be a star. This is over many seasons also. One season where he was still somewhat inefficient is not a star. I think a lot of people jumped too early.
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We’ll agree to disagree. A shoe deal is a big deal and means you are a marketable star. His play has dropped a bit for the time being, I have confidence that will turn around.
 
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