How strong is your support for Quin Snyder?
- Thread starter str8line
- Start date
J
JAZZGASM
Guest
To me a good offense creates high percentage shots. In today's NBA, ideally that will translate to open 3's and paint shots, with as many easy transition buckets as possible. The numbers show we are at the bottom with open shots in the paint and from 3. We also put one of our best offensive rebounding players up top to set screens, which explains why we are 28 out of 30 in offensive rebounds.
A good offense also makes your opponent work. That is what I loved about Sloan's sets. Teams hated to play us because we were so active, and had screens/wrinkles in our sets all over the court. If they relaxed, we made them pay in all kinds of different ways. It was fun to watch and it made this team special. I wish we had the full stat breakdowns then that we do now. I'd love to see a breakdown of shot percentages under Sloan's UCLA/Flex/Motion offense.
Our current offense makes OUR players work, but the majority of our opponents have a fairly easy job on D. A few switches up top, and hedging to help on the drive. The majority of our shots are spot up shots (23%) of which we are shooting 39.3%. We are second to last in transition shots, and we are ranked 21st in shots off screens. Essentially, we don't make the defense work. Our sets largely are designed to create mismatches off of screens in a league where teams are designed to be able to switch, which leaves our offense largely ineffective against most lineups.
If our offense creates high percentage shots and our personnel can't make shots, that is one thing. The numbers tell a different story where Quin's sets end up creating contested jump shots.
So while we will perform better at full strength, it is because we have a very skilled team when healthy that has the ability to create and hit shots. However, I'd love it if we also has an offense that would enhance our players skills, not hinder them.
In a game of runs, Quinton's sets are pure diarrhea.
I also feel like this team's defense could be so much better. Jazz are:
24th in Charges drawn
4th to last in deflections. (doesn't sound like a Jazz team, does it?)
3rd to last in 3 pt shots contested
bottom half of 2 pt shots contested
24th overall in total shots contested (aren't the Jazz supposed to be a top defensive team?)
So while having a lot of injuries does have an effect, there is no excuse for what is happening on the court.
A good offense also makes your opponent work. That is what I loved about Sloan's sets. Teams hated to play us because we were so active, and had screens/wrinkles in our sets all over the court. If they relaxed, we made them pay in all kinds of different ways. It was fun to watch and it made this team special. I wish we had the full stat breakdowns then that we do now. I'd love to see a breakdown of shot percentages under Sloan's UCLA/Flex/Motion offense.
Our current offense makes OUR players work, but the majority of our opponents have a fairly easy job on D. A few switches up top, and hedging to help on the drive. The majority of our shots are spot up shots (23%) of which we are shooting 39.3%. We are second to last in transition shots, and we are ranked 21st in shots off screens. Essentially, we don't make the defense work. Our sets largely are designed to create mismatches off of screens in a league where teams are designed to be able to switch, which leaves our offense largely ineffective against most lineups.
If our offense creates high percentage shots and our personnel can't make shots, that is one thing. The numbers tell a different story where Quin's sets end up creating contested jump shots.
So while we will perform better at full strength, it is because we have a very skilled team when healthy that has the ability to create and hit shots. However, I'd love it if we also has an offense that would enhance our players skills, not hinder them.
In a game of runs, Quinton's sets are pure diarrhea.
I also feel like this team's defense could be so much better. Jazz are:
24th in Charges drawn
4th to last in deflections. (doesn't sound like a Jazz team, does it?)
3rd to last in 3 pt shots contested
bottom half of 2 pt shots contested
24th overall in total shots contested (aren't the Jazz supposed to be a top defensive team?)
So while having a lot of injuries does have an effect, there is no excuse for what is happening on the court.
My support has always been kinda mediocre. He seems a nice fellow and gets his guys to play hard more often than not, and that will usually give him the benefit of the doubt.
The pace has always been extremely frustrating tho. I don't get it why he doesn't emphasize running and playing in transition to get easier shots (more points, assists, and rebounds for all the players too).
I suppose it also doesn't help his case with me in that I happened to observe the strategies of a far superior coach (imo) coaching my favorite college team around this same time (Fred Hoiberg - coaches Bulls now). And they really emphasized pace
The pace has always been extremely frustrating tho. I don't get it why he doesn't emphasize running and playing in transition to get easier shots (more points, assists, and rebounds for all the players too).
I suppose it also doesn't help his case with me in that I happened to observe the strategies of a far superior coach (imo) coaching my favorite college team around this same time (Fred Hoiberg - coaches Bulls now). And they really emphasized pace
If Time Duncan were a prima donna, Pop would be thought of much differently. The Admiral set the early tone as well. Imagine Boogie Cousins on the Spurs. Spurs put the all the right pieces together, including character.
ghsartin
Well-Known Member
I am quite concerned about the defense also. I have watched about half a dozen games this season and the lack of aggression called my attention. I remember that in the Sloan days, the team used to count deflections and the players used to even compete against each other to see who could get the most. I remember that in Stockton's last season, Kirilenko was giving him a run for his money. Well... my point is Stockton was aggressive on defense even at an advanced age, Malone was also, as a young Kirilenko was. That's not the case with this current roster: the Jazz have two aggressive bigs and Hill. Hayward, who most of you laud as someone who doesn't take a play off, doesn't seem to get his hands on anything - doesn't play the passing lanes, doesn't seem to have enough lift to block shots. Hood is not physical at all. Exum is passive...
Some of the problems seem to be on Snyder. It seems that players are encouraged to only stay between their opponent and the basket, instead of putting pressure on them or defending the passing lanes. One of the benefits of having not only one, but two shot blockers near the basket is that it should enable the perimeter defenders to play more agressive on defense, to overplay even, because their backs are covered by the bigs. Where is the aggressive defense on the perimeter?
Cappy_Smurf
Well-Known Member
Lol, so a winning streak on the road means nothing because we were supposed to win those games anyway, but losing when half our team is injured means our team sucks. OK to make excuses for wins but gotta ignore legitimate reasons for losing.
****ing losers mentality. Can't wait for this team to get healthy so that the eyeores of the board can stfu.
I don't think there's any doubt that fully healthy we will be a tough out. But we need to develop a killer instinct if we're going to beat the top teams.
I think we just need to play good basketball and score more points than the other team.
You're so good at boiling it down to the basics.
LogGrad98
Well-Known Member
Contributor
20-21 Award Winner
2022 Award Winner
2023 Award Winner
2024 Award Winner
That is total BS. That is NOT the point of basketball. Go learn basketball and math from an Arab for hell's sake.
Thanks for reminding us the nba season is a futile exercise to see who gets to lose to the Warriors.
Sent from my A0001 using JazzFanz mobile app
Cappy_Smurf
Well-Known Member
We've beaten the Spurs on their floor, and we weren't fully healthy then, either. I've been critical of both our offense and Quin putting WTF lineups on the floor, but this team just isn't going to win a lot with both Favors and Hill out, so yeah some of the complaining lately has been unrealistic IMO.
When fully healthy, I believe even most optimistic Jazz fans will be surprised how ****ing good this team is.
Cappy_Smurf
Well-Known Member
I'm not convinced they're that dominant. Their defense isn't as good, and their offense was already off the charts. Also wouldn't be surprised if the calls don't go their way in the playoffs. The officials have been terrible under Silver IMO, and I'm guessing the league will send somewhat of a message come playoff time.
I'm sorry the Jazz ruined your night by playing well and winning.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
Well-Known Member
This thread reminds me of the dance party/orgy scene from Matrix Reloaded, only everyone is dressed like Ronald McDonald.
LogGrad98
Well-Known Member
Contributor
20-21 Award Winner
2022 Award Winner
2023 Award Winner
2024 Award Winner
I have no idea what you're talking about. Hill lead us to a great win. Snyder's part was putting Hill in the game. I gave him credit for that. Moran.
Lakers_Slapper
Well-Known Member
You are a fan of basketball, but obviously have no idea what value a coach adds to a team. The plays they set up, draw up plays both offensively and defensively. This may come as a surprise, but. ...... a coach does more than player substitutions. A coach leads, directs, influences, challenges. And assists a players life both on and off the court. You call him a Moran? That's 10 times above the words I have for you.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using JazzFanz mobile app
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjksOQNnoUM
Listen to Luke Walton talk about the Jazz offense. Just watch the first 2 minutes or so.
Shades of Jerry....
Listen to Luke Walton talk about the Jazz offense. Just watch the first 2 minutes or so.
Shades of Jerry....