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Who can remember a Fisher that needed to get out of his contract in Utah to get closer to his daughters doctors?

Now that same liar is calling the owners liars because they set up an ultimatum for the players 50-50 or no deal.

Why is this guy the negotiator for the players? Why does everyone look at him as the saint of the NBA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3PAW7zjgPw
 
KOC BEGONE said:
Who can remember a Fisher that needed to get out of his contract in Utah to get closer to his daughters doctors?
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Actually, he needed to get out of his contract in Utah to live in a city that had doctors specializing in retinoblastoma. But you keep fighting the good fight.
 
I just had a problem with him signing with the Lakers. He made it sound like he was heading to New York and then signed on the opposite side of the country... it's not like SLC is that far away from LA if that's really where he needed to be...

I also don't understand how we didn't have the right doctors/facilities here in Utah when we're one of the leaders in cancer research and treatment.

I still respect his decision but I just don't like how it all went down. I really don't like him as the lead guy for the players in the CBA talks though... but that's probably just because I'm mad at everyone on both sides right now.
 
I'm not against him leaving I didn't think that he helped us he seemed too selfish for a pass first offense. But, when you lie to get out of a contract because you can't stand to be a backup. YOu have no moral ground to stand on to call owners a bunch of liars.

And if he had doctors in NY they could have worked with the doctors at the U to treat his daughter and then he could take her to NY when they needed to see her. It wasn't like the MIllers aren't considerate to players that have personal problems.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
I'm not against him leaving I didn't think that he helped us he seemed too selfish for a pass first offense. But, when you lie to get out of a contract because you can't stand to be a backup. YOu have no moral ground to stand on to call owners a bunch of liars.

And if he had doctors in NY they could have worked with the doctors at the U to treat his daughter and then he could take her to NY when they needed to see her. It wasn't like the MIllers aren't considerate to players that have personal problems.
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It blows my mind that people are still hung up about this. Unless your 2-3 yr old daughter has a tumor in her eye, then I don't think you should be able to weigh in on this matter.
 
I'm not hung up on this he is the players representative and he is publicly talking about how the owners are liars. NOw how does our past situation not seem relevant? I would be like Sammy Sosa complaining that too many players in todays game are on steroids. Or Kobe Bryant telling Tiger Woods that he should be faithful to his wife. You can't see the relevance?
 
KOC BEGONE said:
I'm not hung up on this he is the players representative and he is publicly talking about how the owners are liars. NOw how does our past situation not seem relevant? I would be like Sammy Sosa complaining that too many players in todays game are on steroids. Or Kobe Bryant telling Tiger Woods that he should be faithful to his wife. You can't see the relevance?
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What did he lie about? Pretty sure his daughter did have a tumor in her eye and all I remember him saying was that he wanted to play for a team in a city where his daughter could get the best care. So unless you are an expert on retinoblastoma or you have firsthand knowledge what was recommended to him by physicians I don't really think you can call him a liar. And by the way, the fact that you posted this shows me that you've never lied in your life, because liars can't call out other liars.
 
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.....all I know is that the players will be taking a big loss in salaries when they sign the new CBA. The longer they stay out...the bigger the losses will be. They should cut there losses now and sign.
 
This whole thing is a cluster ****.

But why in the world Billy Hunter has deferred so much power to Derek Fisher is beyond me. Fisher is obviously intelligent and probably the most well spoken player in the NBA - but he is also clearly in over his head. Fisher is nothing but a child negotiating with men. Silver and Stern were eating guys like Fisher for lunch decades ago.

Fisher's job should be to sit on the sidelines and occassionally take the players temperature. He belongs nowhere near the frontlines.
 
candrew said:
This whole thing is a cluster ****.

But why in the world Billy Hunter has deferred so much power to Derek Fisher is beyond me. Fisher is obviously intelligent and probably the most well spoken player in the NBA - but he is also clearly in over his head. Fisher is nothing but a child negotiating with men. Silver and Stern were eating guys like Fisher for lunch decades ago.

Fisher's job should be to sit on the sidelines and occassionally take the players temperature. He belongs nowhere near the frontlines.
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You obviously have evidence to back this up.

<awaiting the obvious "well why was he chosen to be the player's reo then">
 
SalmonHobo said:
You obviously have evidence to back this up.

<awaiting the obvious "well why was he chosen to be the player's reo then">
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Do I always give the obvious answer?

Anyway - I said probably. I don't have any empirical data if that's what you're actually asking me for. But after years of listening and reading player interviews, I would say he's part of the minority of current NBA players who speak in clear and complete sentences. And of that minority his answers are usually among the most thoughtful.

Do you disagree?
 
Ugh, not this again.

The whole thing was ultimately a blessing for the Jazz. Freed up cap space and got rid of Fish who, leadership and experience aside, was not going to be an important cog down the road. It allowed Ronnie to start and indirectly led to Giricek being traded for Korver. We can all argue that 5 years down the road, all those moves hardly made the Jazz the contender we all wanted us to be after reaching the CFs in 2007, but at the time, getting rid of Fisher was a great move for the future of the franchise.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Actually, he needed to get out of his contract in Utah to live in a city that had doctors specializing in retinoblastoma. But you keep fighting the good fight.
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My understanding is that Moran Eye Center is well-regarded and was capable of treating retinoblastoma.
https://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1206010
https://www.revophth.com/content/d/features/i/1448/c/27347/

They've even done research about it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12868036

That being said, I am soooooo glad he squirmed out of his overpriced backup combo PG contract.
 
Revolution 9 said:
but he was so good for us...
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He didnt pass empty Memo in the most critical moment of 4th game against spurs, and then we turned the ball over and they got 8 point lead while we could decrease to 3. That was where i hate him
 
Derek Fisher's daughter was 10 months old and had been dealing with the new found fatal cancer for 2 months. As I understand it there were 2 doctors in the entire U.S. that had experience (not just specialized) dealing with the form of rare cancer that his 10 MONTH OLD BABY DAUGHTER had. One was in New York, and on was in L.A. How can anyone condem him for leaving the Jazz? Do you think the Jazz released him from his contract just solely based on his word? I would guess that there had do be doctors medical records for his daughter based on a release of an NBA contract. I dont have proof, I'm just stating the obvious because Im not a neanderthal banging around 2 rocks as my proof for everything like the damn primates on this website that still think he screwed us. Do any of you that think he was out to screw us; have kids? Did you see the CNN special about his daughters cancer in her eye? Thats what I thought.
 
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