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I'd say this guy's got our number for sure!

They both have All-Star talent.

Minnesota was better than the Jazz last season before Rubio went down. They should be quite better than last season with the additions and growth in young players. I'm waiting to see how Dallas meshes before calling anything but they do look decent on paper. I say Minnesota > Dallas though (gasp).

Minny lost quite a few players and have Rubio and Roy coming in off of major injuries too don't forget
 
Minny lost quite a few players and have Rubio and Roy coming in off of major injuries too don't forget

By "quite better" I mean better than last season's 26-40. I don't know where they fit in but a lineup of Pek, Love, AK, something, Rubio should produce. How good/bad do you think they'll be?
 
By "quite better" I mean better than last season's 26-40. I don't know where they fit in but a lineup of Pek, Love, AK, something, Rubio should produce. How good/bad do you think they'll be?

My gut tells me they're going to make the playoffs...and that we'll be on the cusp again.
 
I dunno about Jazz beating the Wolves this season. The Wolves starting 5 is going to be Rubio, Roy, AK47, Love, and Pec. And their bench is improving. Granted that these 5 are all healthy I doubt the Jazz will beat them. And this is coming from a true Jazz fan.

....personally, I see less defense in that starting 5 than even our own! Jazz should be able to score at will!
 
I hope this is the case, because AK is a better pf then sf. AK should've gone to a team that has room for him to play pf.

I heard they are going to have Derrick Williams start at SF. Which would mean AK would be a backup. Seeing as the Wolves lost Randolph, Beasley, and Johnson; added Budinger(Who cannot play PF); And put D-Will at SF; They are going to need a lot of help at the PF position which is ironic seeing as PFs made up half of their team last year. So you just might get your wish.
 
agree with franklin about dallas -- they got a little younger but a lot less versatile, and that's been their calling card.

nobody's mentioning memphis. they appeared very legitimate last season and had a 51-win pace despite their best player missing a ton of games. mayo to bayless is probably a downgrade at 6th man, but other than that they're the same team as last year, just healthier.

until someone proves otherwise, i would consider the upper crust as OKC, SAS, LAL, LAC, MEM. second tier is (in some order) UTA, DAL, DEN, MIN, and maybe NOH. HOU, GSW, PHO, SAC and POR will occupy the cellar.

somebody may play better or worse than projected and cross the lines either up or down, but that's how i see the WC as of today.
 
agree with franklin about dallas -- they got a little younger but a lot less versatile, and that's been their calling card.

nobody's mentioning memphis. they appeared very legitimate last season and had a 51-win pace despite their best player missing a ton of games. mayo to bayless is probably a downgrade at 6th man, but other than that they're the same team as last year, just healthier.

until someone proves otherwise, i would consider the upper crust as OKC, SAS, LAL, LAC, MEM. second tier is (in some order) UTA, DAL, DEN, MIN, and maybe NOH. HOU, GSW, PHO, SAC and POR will occupy the cellar.

somebody may play better or worse than projected and cross the lines either up or down, but that's how i see the WC as of today.

GS and Portland won't be in the "cellar."
 
GS and Portland won't be in the "cellar."

depends on what we mean by the cellar. i mean they will not be in playoff contention. to me, that's the cellar.

* portland: a 35-win team last year (if we adjust for 82 games) who loses felton and kurt thomas, added jared jeffries, ronnie price and sasha pavlovic, plus two rookies. overpaid to keep batum. for that team to even sniff the playoff, lillard need to have a ROY type season and aldridge needs to play at an all-NBA level.

* warriors: a 29-win team (again, adjusted) who loses dorrell wright but adds carl landry, jarrett jack and rookie harrison barnes to a group of curry (injury prone, far from a pure point), thompson (raw, something of a one-trick pony), jefferson (nuff said), lee (only plays offense), bogut (injury prone) and biedrins (stiff). they need to add 15-20 wins to compete for a playoff spot, but they're suddenly paper thin on the wings and relying on two star players who have never been able to stay healthy (and one who is playing out of his natural position).
 
depends on what we mean by the cellar. i mean they will not be in playoff contention. to me, that's the cellar.

* portland: a 35-win team last year (if we adjust for 82 games) who loses felton and kurt thomas, added jared jeffries, ronnie price and sasha pavlovic, plus two rookies. overpaid to keep batum. for that team to even sniff the playoff, lillard need to have a ROY type season and aldridge needs to play at an all-NBA level.

Portland could knock on the door of the playoffs, but I'm not so sure they want to make the playoffs this year. They'll develop their rookies and be competitive much of the time, but I'm sure their management would like one more lottery pick to add to the mix for '13-'14.
 
i don't see it at all with portland, unless they have more moves up their sleeve. without felton, they're going to have a rookie starting at point guard -- always a shaky proposition. their starter at SG (don't call me wes) is a sub on most teams, and he's backed up by sasha freaking pavlovic. they spent 46M to make sure they have a decent starting SF, but they have nobody of any quality behind him. and with aldridge and hickson at the 4 (the one position where they're 2 deep), they'll have to start another rookie (leonard) at center.

golden state can at least trick itself into believing in curry & bogut's health, thompson's progress and a strong rookie year by barnes. but i just don't think portland has a shot at being decent.

C: leonard, jeffries
PF: aldridge, hickson
SF: batum, babbitt
SG: matthews, pavlovic
PG: lillard, smith
deep bench: victor claver, will barton, eliot williams
 
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