If Hayward leaves then we can bring back DWill, Millsap, Miles and Korver and give it another go but this time with Gobert instead of Boozer/Okur. Actually, scratch Miles and I may quasi be interested in seeing how that plays out.
If Hayward Leaves?
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You have to at least consider it I would think. It would have to be a damn good deal to pull the trigger. You don't trade away a player like that unless you get bank back.
You look long and hard at every player on the roster and what you can get for them.
There's no possible way Boston gives us their #1 pick.
mellow
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I think I am getting old and weary of the NBA drama.
If he leaves, trade Joe J, Boris, and Favors. Re-sign Ingles (so you can trade him at the deadline) and hope and pray Burks shows signs of life so you can dump him at the deadline too.
Give the keys to the car to Exum, and tell Rodney Hood he is shot-gun (shoot it every time buddy, spray them BB's everywhere)! Lyles plays 38 minutes, tell him his season goal is to silence the critics by scoring more points in a game than Booker did. Tell Gobert positional defense doesn't matter just block everything, and challenge him to attempt atleast 3-sky hooks a game. Have the team crash every offensive rebound, no running back on defense.
Draft Frank, Trade for Jabarri and market heavily in northern utah county.
Nobody else is trying to tank (yet) get out in front of them all.
If he leaves, trade Joe J, Boris, and Favors. Re-sign Ingles (so you can trade him at the deadline) and hope and pray Burks shows signs of life so you can dump him at the deadline too.
Give the keys to the car to Exum, and tell Rodney Hood he is shot-gun (shoot it every time buddy, spray them BB's everywhere)! Lyles plays 38 minutes, tell him his season goal is to silence the critics by scoring more points in a game than Booker did. Tell Gobert positional defense doesn't matter just block everything, and challenge him to attempt atleast 3-sky hooks a game. Have the team crash every offensive rebound, no running back on defense.
Draft Frank, Trade for Jabarri and market heavily in northern utah county.
Nobody else is trying to tank (yet) get out in front of them all.
Agreed, that would be great. But I think they want to use those assets to get Paul George with Hayward. I dont think they want Hayward unless they can get that second star.
Plus, I don't think Hayward wants to torpedo Boston's future if he's going to sign with them just to do the Jazz a solid.
It's a really crappy situation, there's no way around it. I think we would execute another "professional" tank. Meaning I don't think we go scorched earth and totally blow it up, but we obviously shed the vets and ride a core of Rudy, Hood, Exum, and Lyles, lose 50-55 games and hope the ping pong balls bounce our way.
Honestly, though - I think Gordon re-signs. He's got a really good basketball situation here in Utah, and I don't think the Celtics + GH is enough to beat the Cavs, let alone the Warriors.
It's a really crappy situation, there's no way around it. I think we would execute another "professional" tank. Meaning I don't think we go scorched earth and totally blow it up, but we obviously shed the vets and ride a core of Rudy, Hood, Exum, and Lyles, lose 50-55 games and hope the ping pong balls bounce our way.
Honestly, though - I think Gordon re-signs. He's got a really good basketball situation here in Utah, and I don't think the Celtics + GH is enough to beat the Cavs, let alone the Warriors.
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Agreed.
A. Hayward ain't going anywhere.
B. If he did we would have money to burn and multiple 1st round picks in multiple upcoming drafts iirc
C. We have looked quite good when hayward has missed games from injury/sickness.
D. We would still have Rudy and Quin locked in longterm and I still believe in DL.
Quin's Murderface
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If Hayward leaves then you have to be realistic that next season you will not be a top western contender. With that in mind I would do the following:
-Let Dante Exum start and play 30+ minutes per game.
-Hood starts as well, and gets a major role offensively
-Bring back Ingles since you'll have plenty of money.
-Lyles or Bolomboy is your starting 4. Your draft picks are getting minutes off the bench along with the remaining vets.
-Let Rudy have a slightly larger role offensively. This kind of depends on what he adds to his game over the summer.
Basically you are taking a step back, and going into full development mode for next year. Once you have enough data to really evaluate your roster you can start trying to build a team more around Rudy and whatever pieces work the best from the young guys. You also give those assets greater value so you can use them to make a trade for better pieces.
If you try to patch in the holes with vets and become a low end playoff team you are just damning yourself to that mediocrity treadmill.
-Let Dante Exum start and play 30+ minutes per game.
-Hood starts as well, and gets a major role offensively
-Bring back Ingles since you'll have plenty of money.
-Lyles or Bolomboy is your starting 4. Your draft picks are getting minutes off the bench along with the remaining vets.
-Let Rudy have a slightly larger role offensively. This kind of depends on what he adds to his game over the summer.
Basically you are taking a step back, and going into full development mode for next year. Once you have enough data to really evaluate your roster you can start trying to build a team more around Rudy and whatever pieces work the best from the young guys. You also give those assets greater value so you can use them to make a trade for better pieces.
If you try to patch in the holes with vets and become a low end playoff team you are just damning yourself to that mediocrity treadmill.
Quin's Murderface
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I also think this would be a good chance for Quin to implement whatever philosophies he wants to. If he really wants to ideally play with more pace, then maybe the team can be built with that in mind, instead of going with the strengths of a pre-existing group.
It would obviously suck to lose Hayward, but I would still be excited about the team's future. We are still dealing with some fallout from the end of the KOC era, so I would give DL a chance to build it up again if the worst happens.
It would obviously suck to lose Hayward, but I would still be excited about the team's future. We are still dealing with some fallout from the end of the KOC era, so I would give DL a chance to build it up again if the worst happens.
homeytennis
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What about Rudy Gay?
mellow
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Now that is something to consider. Make the most important guy happy. Quin is the most important guy.
I'd think about trading Hood though. I think w/ Hood we would win 30 something games. I think without Hood we might potentially be 20 something wins and a legit chance for a top pick.
The huge risk in this is pissing off Gobert. I doubt he wants to be on a tanking team at all.
Plus the Jazz have 4 picks this year. They could give 4 rookies heavy rotation minutes.
I just hate the idea of wasting Gobert's prime. Dude deserves better.
I just hate the idea of wasting Gobert's prime. Dude deserves better.
Quin's Murderface
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Yeah you might be correct depending on what Hood could fetch. I'm not high on him being a star player at all, so maybe that makes the most sense. I would worry about losing too much and souring Rudy on being here. But at the same time, I think Rudy is the kind of guy who also would hate being a perennial 8-6 seed and not having a realistic path to contending.If you could develop one more home-grown star player (it almost would have to be Exum in the near future I think, which might be unrealistic) then you could maybe lure a third via FA or make a trade.
I could easily see this strategy losing Rudy. DL would need to make some magic happen. Please come back Gordon!
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I know you're just joking, but OMG!!! DOnt even play me like this
RJF
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But it's only happened like twice...
Quin's Murderface
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Inefficient, and coming off of injury I believe. I'm not a fan of patching together a team with a guy like him. Seems like a variation of the Al Jefferson move to me. Now if he comes here on a good deal I'd be fine with him as a guy. But I think the team needs to have a sound long-term strategy and go after it aggressively right away if Hayward leaves.
