Im sick of it

[The Midnight]

Are you saying that Detroit didn't have a talent team, or that Ben Wallace and/or Rasheed were not team players, or what?

Rasheed was just as bad as Al on defense. But he was paired with Defensive specialist in Wallace and were able to win.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Rasheed was just as bad as Al on defense. But he was paired with Defensive specialist in Wallace and were able to win.

Completely untrue. Completely and utterly. Rasheed Wallace might only have grazed his potential as a player, but he was extremely good on both ends of the floor. Or at least since we're talking about Chauncey/Pistons-era Sheed. But I guess being the lynchpin to a very good defensive team for several years after Ben Wallace left doesn't count.

If you want to dog on his rebounding, have at it, but he was a very skilled and apt defender (could guard both big positions well from inside to the perimeter).

 

[NUMBERICA]

I also enjoy how everybody here thinks all an NBA star can think about is city life. It's about a career, and making the most money possible. If Utah offers a max deal to Monta Ellis, the fools going to bite!

Lebron James, Chris Bosh, and Shaquille O'Neal all say hi.

P.S. Monta Ellis sucks, and if the Jazz offered him a max contract, the entire FO should be thrown off of a cliff.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Trading for Mo, trading for Marvin. How were any of those moves forced or reactionary?

The Jazz knew they needed some shooting and they went out and made some great moves to get it.

You could say that the Jazz were forced to react to the fact that Devin Harris blew *******. Both trades stemmed from that one fact.

 

[The Midnight]

Completely untrue. Completely and utterly. Rasheed Wallace might only have grazed his potential as a player, but he was extremely good on both ends of the floor. Or at least since we're talking about Chauncey/Pistons-era Sheed. But I guess being the lynchpin to a very good defensive team for several years after Ben Wallace left doesn't count.

If you want to dog on his rebounding, have at it, but he was a very skilled and apt defender (could guard both big positions well from inside to the perimeter).

Oh sorry I have completely forgotten how good the Pistons were without Ben Wallace. Yeah Sheed was the lynchpin defensively....

 

[The Midnight]

The point is simply, we can't attract All Stars two-way players. So let's assemble a team as best we can where the team as a whole can compete with skills that complement each other's. Where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I think Jefferson and Favors is such a pairing.

 

[GVC]

Rasheed was just as bad as Al on defense.

What the ****?

 

[MoreFeasts]

I watched a bit of the 2004 championship series to evaluate Rasheed's D. The Lakers never passed the ball to the guy Rasheed was covering, some bald guy who was limping up and down the court, so I can't confirm whether Rasheed had no D. The bald guy did okay playing D against Rasheed though.

 

[MoTappin]

Consider me on the "sick of it" bandwagon.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Lebron James, Chris Bosh, and Shaquille O'Neal all say hi.

P.S. Monta Ellis sucks, and if the Jazz offered him a max contract, the entire FO should be thrown off of a cliff.

This guy right here.... gives me 3 names.
Not all NBA players are robots. They don't think the same thoughts. Yah?

 

[mellow]

two #3 picks

both of them atleast 6-10 and no more than 21 years old.

playing pf & center.

this is the guy the jazz have hired to teach them

Coach Corbin says this about derrick & Enes' development:

Corbin credited (Sanders) the former 11-year NBA player for aiding in the development of young bigs Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors....."I'm extremely happy with the work that Mike has done with us so far," Corbin said, "and we expect him to continue to work and develop our guys to get better."

Corbin has no immediate plans to hire a specific big man coach to solely focus on helping promising posts Kanter and Favors.

"We'll do it by committee," he said.

Ty's Committee approach to developing his two #3 picks has resulted in Favors averaging 9 points in 21 minutes, and Enes averaging 6 points in 14 minutes.

TOO BAD THE JAZZ DON"T KNOW ANY RETIRED OR FORMER PLAYERS WHO COULD TEACH THESE YOUNG PLAYERS>>>>>>

Karl Malone is regarded as one of the best power forwards in the history of the NBA. He collected two regular-season MVP Awards, 11 NBA First Team nominations and was also selected to the NBA All-Defensive Team three times.

He scored 36,928 points (25.0 per game), second best all-time, on 51.6 percent shooting. His high field goal percentage benefited from the pick-and-roll offense and his physical power, enabling him to overpower most forwards. Malone grabbed an average 10.1 rebounds and also averaged 1.41 steals per game.

Malone, who earned the nicknamed "The Mailman" in college for his consistency in delivering, led the NBA in free throws made seven separate seasons (an NBA record). He was a physical defender and rebounder, and one of the most durable players ever in the NBA, missing a total of only five regular season games in his first 13 years in the league.

For you kids who never knew, or you old farts who have forgotten that Karl was REALLY good, Watch these highlights....[video=youtube_share;72X2xGcz1Zc]https://youtu.be/72X2xGcz1Zc

Maybe the owner will step in and see that it is done right.....

Sitting two raw talented pfs while pretending that Karl Malone never happened...... that's what I am sick of.

 

[The Midnight]

That's EPIC bro.

Show them how it's done. Rep'd.

 

[addictionary]

One of the best posts I have come across for a long time mellow. Congratulations. I will rep you as soon as I'm available.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I'm sick of people acting like it's because of 1 game.

yep that happens with people with short term memory.
it takes 2 games of some flahses of defense and epic pwnes of jeffysuck to forget that he sucks

 

[Dr. Jones]

Repd
Nice work, Mellow

 

[DutchJazzer]

I know we all LOVE to HATE big Al but in the final 3 minutes VS Pacers, when we've got nothing going, dump it down to Big Al and he scored 5 straight points for us.

Again in the OT, nothing going offensively, Al scored the first 4 straight points, all 1-on-1 against Hibbert. Then scored again when there's 2 min. left. Then AGAIN with 36 seconds left he SCORED.

We can hate him all day long, but it's a fact that he's the main reason we just beat the Pacers.

This is why I believe the Jazz front office Greg/KOC/Lindsey will re-sign Big Al and keep him here. With no obvious superstar in the team, he provides us offense when there's nothing else on. He's an insurance policy we stay afloat in the playoffs race each year and that's good for business.

Sorry folks, but it's a business at the end of the day.

so he "won" us the pacers game

his defines let scrubs get hot and lose us a lot of games in the past

 

[Revolution 9]

Mellow - the haters will say Malone would be a bad teacher. He is too dumb, or too flaky.
The thing is what are we teaching the bigs with now? Are these guys that good?

Why not try Malone, put the pressure on him to follow through, and then if he fails he'll deserve all the hatred he gets.
I'll blast the hell out of him if he fails us. There is one thing Karl has always been dependable with, and it's respect for the game.
Putting him with Kanter might just give me a erection. Malone and Kanter is my Jazz wet dream.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Mellow - the haters will say Malone would be a bad teacher. He is too dumb, or too flaky.
The thing is what are we teaching the bigs with now? Are these guys that good?

Why not try Malone, put the pressure on him to follow through, and then if he fails he'll deserve all the hatred he gets.
I'll blast the hell out of him if he fails us. There is one thing Karl has always been dependable with, and it's respect for the game.
Putting him with Kanter might just give me a erection. Malone and Kanter is my Jazz wet dream.

I think it's part of the playing it safe thing. Too many 'comfy' hires that won't rock the boat, won't ever say the wrong thing to the media. Sometimes things need to be shaken up a little, but the top brass have to have the brass to allow it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Why the hate for Sanders? Have Kanter and Favors not looked good? I think Kanter's skill development and IQ development have been pretty awesome thus far. You don't have to be a HOF big man to teach. Didn't Patrick Ewing coach Dwight Howard for years? Where has his skill development been?

 

[mellow]

No hate for Sanders, I am not pleased with a group of NBA journeyman (Sanders, Ty, and Al) trying to teach two young players how to play post in the Jazz offense.

Kanter's development has not inspired me, Favors offensive development, or lack thereof, makes me want to cry. The worst part for me is that when these guys talk about learning new post play they are crediting Big Al for teaching them. Don't get confused, I'm not an Al hater, Al has amazing footwork that may not be equaled by a pf/c in todays NBA--- But Al plays passively, his moves take him away from the basket more often than towards it, his post ups are 10-12 feet from the basket instead of 5-7, he is slow and deliberate. If Kanter and Favors are the future, and they are learning post play from Al will that mean a future of Big Al Ball? I hope not.

Conversely Karl was quick, decisive, attacking, in your face. More importantly he was smart, he was able to adjust to what the defense would give him and do it on the spot. It didn't matter if he was fronted, if they forced him middle, forced him basleline, or sandwiched him in a double team. I want Kanter to do that, I've seen enough of this 5 pump fakes and throw it at the basket.


I don't know what role Karl could or would play. I don't see him traveling with the team as an assitant. He is quirky, arrogant and self-centered---he's also the most exciting pf to ever play the game, maybe the most physical and an amazing part of the franchise history. Sure he is stupid, irrational and emotional and has probably upset everyone in the Jazz organization that ever knew him. But I'm tired of pretending that he never was, or playing like he died in 2003, or trying to believe he couldn't help Enes Favors be better.

I'm sick of the Karl Malone elephant in the room.