Impressed With Ty

[bjunior]

I was impressed with him when we made the playoffs last year despite having limited practice time and no off-season.

1. we were a deep and young team with young legs and in a tight season it was a big advantage
2. a lot of teams had key players injured and we took advantage a couple of times
3. in the end of the season a lot of teams were in tank mode

Yes we made the playoffs, but i was more frustrated about Corbin than impressed.

 

[idiot]

Agree 100% with OP. The strong criticism here and elsewhere for Corbin in baffling, considering what he's accomplished.

Can we find areas we disagree with? Of course. Should a coach be judged on his overall achievements rather than these smaller issues? I think so. Are Corbin's overall achievements impressive given the situation he was handed? Undoubtedly.

I'm excited to see what the new points of emphasis will lead to for the Jazz this year.

 

[NotDeadYet]

With his size, Burks could evolve into a very good PG. When I look at all the SGs we got, someone is either gonna have to get much of their PT at PG, or sit more than they want to. Be it Burks, Foye, or even Murphy. I expect Hayward to start at SG. That's a way bigger logjam than we have at PF or C...

 

[GVC]

When I look at all the SGs we got, someone is either gonna have to get much of their PT at PG, or sit more than they want to. Be it Burks, Foye, or even Murphy. I expect Hayward to start at SG. That's a way bigger logjam than we have at PF or C...

It's entirely possible the Jazz's top 4 players play at the 4 and 5. They all deserve and/or need minutes. Foye and Murphy don't. There is no logjam whatsoever at the 2.

 

[fishonjazz]

What I dont like about Ty, and what was like Sloan too is, that they dont seem to like to let a young guy work through a few mistakes. And fans are like this too. Favors goes 0-5 and its automatically assumed that he cant score. But if Jefferson goes 1-7 like he did the first game, it doesn't effect what the coach does with him. The young guys are always walking on egg shells. Every mistake is magnified, and the result is sitting on the bench. I cant see how this can be helpful to the development of a young player.

Corbin's whole spiel about playing who earns it is complete non sense. Kanter has worked his tail off and plays hard. But it wont change how many minutes he gets. Meanwhile Jefferson does nothing to work on his fitness. You can tell just by looking at his body that he doesn't put in the work. And he'll get all the minutes he wants.

This approach to winning by just inserting the oldest players is just plain idiotic, and is causing damage to our future. Our young core isn't going to progress watching other people play. This isnt the Matrix. You dont just download skill from watching. It takes REPS. Plain and simple. This rule can be applied to everything in life you seek to be good at.

This! This! This!.... great post. repped.

 

[fishonjazz]

Sorry hack, must spread it around first

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Majority of the people that have a problem with Corbin didn't like the hire to began with, probably not a coincidence. Is he perfect heck no, you go to every team message board (even the Spurs and LA when they had Jackson) and fans will nit pick and complain and look back at things they can do better. IMO given he has yet to have a normal season he has done well with what he has been given, I think he can grow just like the we all hope the "core 4" can grow, he will hopefully grow with the team.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Chnages won't matter a damn if the players can't hit shots. This team has been turrible in 2 of 3 pre-season games.

Remember when the Jazz used to lead or be at the top of the league in FG%? I'm no longer of the opinion that no one is untouchable. Linsey and KOC should look for "making" guards - AND bigs - this summer. In hindsight, CJ just may have led this team in FG% this season. Let's just hope a few players turn it around in the next several games.

 

[Ben10]

Chnages won't matter a damn if the players can't hit shots. This team has been turrible in 2 of 3 pre-season games.

Remember when the Jazz used to lead or be at the top of the league in FG%? I'm no longer of the opinion that no one is untouchable. Linsey and KOC should look for "making" guards - AND bigs - this summer. In hindsight, CJ just may have led this team in FG% this season. Let's just hope a few players turn it around in the next several games.

Marvin has shot the ball very well all 3 games so far. But other than him. Not so good

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Chnages won't matter a damn if the players can't hit shots. This team has been turrible in 2 of 3 pre-season games.

Remember when the Jazz used to lead or be at the top of the league in FG%? I'm no longer of the opinion that no one is untouchable. Linsey and KOC should look for "making" guards - AND bigs - this summer. In hindsight, CJ just may have led this team in FG% this season. Let's just hope a few players turn it around in the next several games.

3 games is such a big sample size to tell if we are a good shooting team.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Anyone else happy with what Ty's trying to do? There's an article in the Trib with a quote from Mo talking about how Ty has emphasized getting out in transition to use the Jazz wings' athleticism. He's also trying to run more stuff through Jefferson in the high post (with an assortment of cross, down, up screens, etc. on the baseline/in the paint), and giving Alec an opportunity to run the point (even with Earl and Jamaal out, he could give the ball to the more experienced vet, Foye). He seems to both understand his talent well AND know where they'll have to improve to contend.

Considering the situation he inherited when Jerry left and Deron was traded, he's done a fantastic job keeping his players disciplined and focused on the task at hand, while running sets that maximize the Jazz's chance at winning (given the talent on the roster).

eh?

On the surface, it looks great but it really may be nothing more than trying something in the pre-season to see how it works. Let's see how he calls things in the regular season. Does he do such then or does he revert back to what he's comfortable with and what we've done for years? Do the young guys get burn or do players like Foye eat up major minutes?

We shall see but it is promising.

 

[Stifle Tower]

3 games is such a big sample size to tell if we are a good shooting team.

I agree with you there, but it's alarming that so many of the players are in a slump at the same time.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

I agree with you there, but it's alarming that so many of the players are in a slump at the same time.

I know weird, huh? Almost like there's a commonality here.....

Wait.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

It's entirely possible the Jazz's top 4 players play at the 4 and 5. They all deserve and/or need minutes. Foye and Murphy don't. There is no logjam whatsoever at the 2.

31 minutes-Jefferson - all at 5
31 minutes Millsap - 17 at the 4, 14 at the 3
27 minutes Favors - all at the 4
23 minutes Kanter - 17 at 5 with 5 at the 4

Marvin - 26 at the 3...Hayward, the remaining 8 at the 3
Hayward-22 at the 2 and Burks 26 at the 2

I'm drunk...

 

[billyshelby]

I love what Ty's doing so far. Getting out on the break and getting into our offense faster is a fantastic change. I'm a lot more concerned with seeing A) how he substitutes; B) what wrinkles he throws into the basic offense. We've seen a little of B, though I chalk it up to experimentation at this point. I also like that he's posting Marvin. But posting Marvin is the kind of thing you do when matchups present. If we get into posting Marvin 2 or 3 times a night because it's in the game plan, like it's something we have to do, I'll be less enchanted.

 

[franklin]

I love what Ty's doing so far. Getting out on the break and getting into our offense faster is a fantastic change. I'm a lot more concerned with seeing A) how he substitutes; B) what wrinkles he throws into the basic offense. We've seen a little of B, though I chalk it up to experimentation at this point. I also like that he's posting Marvin. But posting Marvin is the kind of thing you do when matchups present. If we get into posting Marvin 2 or 3 times a night because it's in the game plan, like it's something we have to do, I'll be less enchanted.

I've noticed the Jazz beginning the offensive sets before Tinsley gets the ball across half court. Great way to speed up a set offense, especially having a Jefferson post game to rely on if your screens and cuts are being guarded well. It will also be nice if the Jazz have a point guard who can actually execute an NBA offense. There was so little that Harris could do well last year so the Jazz had to rely on too much Al Jefferson slow ISO that drove everyone nuts.

I'm loving Mo's ability to pull up a three when the defense goes under the high screen.
I'm loving the ability to spread the floor with competent long shooters.
I'm loving the ability to run extra options with Marvin and Foye veteran understanding, and even with that Tinsley backdown.

 

[franklin]

What lack of 3-pt shooting defense? The Jazz were fine against the 3 last season.

As for the other stuff, there's certainly room for disagreement. I don't think Hayward is effective off the dribble in the halfcourt. Without knowing what instructions Ty has from management re: Winning now v. developing young players, it's hard to assess him on that issue.

Hayward is incredible at initially breaking down defenders off his first step, but then he's like "what the hell do I do with this ball now"? Watching him, I go from "holy ****" to "oh ****" in .04 seconds. If he continues getting into trouble & jumping THEN finding someone to pass to then I'll be calling for his head soon enough.

I like the kid & see a lot in him but he has to show us some improvements like being able to hit some simple pull ups. Hitting wide open 15 footers off the dribble will do wonders for his game.

 

[JGolds]

I have been scouting out this forum for a bit before i joined..... and i think we all know that more then half of this forum will be calling for Ty's head by allstar break...