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in a espn chat someone brought up the following

cowhide said:
Hopefully, the Jazz have an assistant coach talking to him and telling him to keep his head up.
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It's things like that where I wish Gordan Chiesa was still an assistant coach. I know Layden and Corbin do a great job working out the younger players - but Chiesa was a great positive-energy coach who was also a great communicator and really had alot to do with Howard Eisley's development from a CBA-player to best backup PG in the league.
 
I think if he can get a few easy buckets in a game he will get a lot of confidence and we'll start seeing the potential. Right now, the guy can't get anything to go right for him and he obviously doesn't know the playbook yet. He is too busy thinking about playing good instead of just playing, when he decides to finally let the game come to him he'll be alright.
 
You just look at Hayward and he still looks young and not fully matured. Can't give up on him yet.

Then again he could be another Luke Jackson....
 
I was never sold on him. However it's way too early to call him a bust. After next year maybe, but not now.

It is not a good sign that he is in danger of losing all of his playing time to a 2nd round pick in Evans though.
 
Nate505 said:
My sorta optimistic thoughts on Hayward:

While he looks absolutely brutal and lost out there, I still see good basketball skills in him. I'm not certain he should have been starting now.
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That's the understatement of the day (yesterday). There weren't many options with Bell out, but if Miles had started against the Mavs on Saturday, it is quite possible that Utah could've pulled off a win. It's complete foolishness for the coaching staff to keep making the same mistakes game after game. It was completely clear from the previous game(s) that Hayward was a big negative starting games, and it showed. He wasn't all of the problem--defense in the paint and on Nowitzki was also a big issue--also mitigatable by lineup changes--but the obliviousness of this coaching staff continues to amaze me.
 
GoJazz said:
Ya cause Deron is horrible...
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Considering that the Jazz have a grand total of two players they've drafted in the 1st round that deserve to be on the floor, it's clear they're the exception that proves the rule.
 
They should send Morris Hayward down to Orem so he can put up gawdy numbers without actually having to deal with little things like knowing plays and sets.
 
So tell me who has the first stat line, and who has the second?

GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
0 8.8 0.368 0.25 0.75 0.8 0.9 1.7 0.7 0.3 0.1 0.39 0.87 3.4

GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
4 8.9 0.372 0.25 0.625 0.5 0.8 1.3 0.2 0.1 0.2 0.6 1.3 1.9

To narrow it down... yes it has do do with this thread.
 
JazzSpazz said:
So tell me who has the first stat line, and who has the second?

GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
0 8.8 0.368 0.25 0.75 0.8 0.9 1.7 0.7 0.3 0.1 0.39 0.87 3.4

GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
4 8.9 0.372 0.25 0.625 0.5 0.8 1.3 0.2 0.1 0.2 0.6 1.3 1.9

To narrow it down... yes it has do do with this thread.
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The first is obviously Evans. And the second is Hayward.
 
YB85 said:
They should send Morris Hayward down to Orem so he can put up gawdy numbers without actually having to deal with little things like knowing plays and sets.
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Depends on the individual, he could play well and gain some confidence, or he could use that as reinforcement that it is Jerry's system that is holding him and his skills back. I think Mo Almond took the lesson.
 
JazzSpazz said:
So tell me who has the first stat line, and who has the second?

GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
0 8.8 0.368 0.25 0.75 0.8 0.9 1.7 0.7 0.3 0.1 0.39 0.87 3.4

GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
4 8.9 0.372 0.25 0.625 0.5 0.8 1.3 0.2 0.1 0.2 0.6 1.3 1.9

To narrow it down... yes it has do do with this thread.
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I'm not sure if this is supposed to be an Evans vs Hayward comparison, but neither one of those is Evans. I'll compare the two anyway:

Hayward is dead last in rookie PER at an ABYSMAL 2.49. Evans is 25.02 (which is outrageously high). The average is 15.

In addition, Evans has a +5 on/off court net differential and Hayward has a -22.2.

It's nearly impossible for them to have a more opposite impact on the game than they have to-date. Evans has been sensational and Hayward has been embarrassing. Period.
 
Evans at 68% on the year. Pretty much all dunks, but still, that's sick. I wonder what the rookie record for FG% is?

Compare the following two lines. If you adjust for Minutes Played, the stats are actually pretty similar. And the guy on the bottom? He was drafted well ahead of Gordon and plays on a crappy team. We could have it worse! :D

Starts 4 MIN 8.9 FG% 0.372 3P% 0.250 FT% 0.625 RPG 1.3 APG 0.2 SPG 0.1 BPG 0.2 TO 0.6 PPG 1.9

VS.

Starts 12 MIN 24.5 FG% 0.412 3P% 0.167 FT% 0.739 RPG 4.6 APG 1.9 SPG 0.6 BPG 0.2 TO 1.3 PPG 6.6
 
JazzSpazz said:
The First is CJ Miles's Rookie year.
The Second is Hayward.

So basically in 5 years Hayward could be this years CJ.
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You mean CJ "Definitely came to the NBA WAY too early" Miles vs. Gordon "2 years older, playing D-1 for two years, brought his team to the championship game, and on a team USA squad so you'd expect him to be even marginally more prepared" Hayward? And even then, in 5 years he might be as good as one of the least consistent high-volume scorers in the league?

HOMERUN.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You mean CJ "Definitely came to the NBA WAY too early" Miles vs. Gordon "2 years older, playing D-1 for two years, brought his team to the championship game, and on a team USA squad so you'd expect him to be even marginally more prepared" Hayward? And even then, in 5 years he might be as good as one of the least consistent high-volume scorers in the league?

HOMERUN.
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Yea, I thought it was interesting too.
I thought it funny, but it seems to rile you up.
He could turn into anything from Morrison, to Walton (the younger).
I hope he turns into something, but it's doubtbul at this point.... but I'm not ready to write him off no matter how much hate is posted here.
At the end of the season.... I will be as ready as you are now.
 
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